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2021-01-20 10:32:26 +0100 <kmicu> I thought you portray some drama worthy critical stuff but those are orthogonal build instructions. You can always revert if it breaks something aka there is a good reason.
2021-01-20 10:35:00 +0100 <kmicu> (In bigger libre projects there’s no discussions about such changes. If they are indeed problematic we revert and discuss which is less overhead than discussing every PR.)
2021-01-20 10:39:36 +0100materiyolo(~materiyol@112.204.170.198)
2021-01-20 11:22:32 +0100TheTsar(~Tsar@89-73-72-8.dynamic.chello.pl)
2021-01-20 11:22:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> kmicu: the (potentially) drama-worthy bits are elsewhere, in https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/260 and https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/261 where he refuses to discuss this with the other maintainers and forces his approach instead
2021-01-20 11:24:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> those yesterday's PRs to xmonad(-contrib) are just a continuation of that, a change in a direction which was already being discussed as possibly problematic and unwelcome by the rest
2021-01-20 11:24:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> "being discussed" … :-/
2021-01-20 11:31:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: you seem to be able to communicate with peti without getting frustrated, any tips what I'm doing wrong?
2021-01-20 11:43:02 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: I guess I just don't show my frustration. :-) Anyway, I will be sending a PR enabling lts builds in some time.
2021-01-20 11:44:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: that PR will be just a revert of https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/261, no?
2021-01-20 11:46:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> and his latest reply (https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/446#issuecomment-763513308) … I could really use an arbiter here
2021-01-20 11:46:21 +0100 <Liskni_si> he keeps suggesting I'm the one who refuses to communicate
2021-01-20 11:46:46 +0100 <Liskni_si> and I've said it multiple times that I suspect that might very well be true do to being a bit on the spectrum
2021-01-20 11:47:14 +0100Nahra(~Nahra@unaffiliated/nahra)
2021-01-20 11:47:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> so if anyone can point out what exactly I'm doing wrong, that would be highly appreciated
2021-01-20 11:48:13 +0100 <Liskni_si> but I don't think it's a good idea to continue being involved in a project (xmonad core) where the only other active maintainer speaks a completely different language :-/
2021-01-20 11:50:26 +0100 <psibi[m]> Yeah, that's right.
2021-01-20 11:51:46 +0100 <Liskni_si> ("the only other active maintainer" is wrong, you're also active, I take that back)
2021-01-20 11:52:40 +0100 <psibi[m]> I wouldn't call myself active and I would call peti also active.
2021-01-20 11:53:03 +0100 <psibi[m]> I wouldn't call myself active and I wouldn't call peti also active.
2021-01-20 11:54:01 +0100 <psibi[m]> In fact, we both just make sure there is a release happening! I think you, geeokosaur and others contributing to the core.
2021-01-20 11:54:42 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: Anyway, I would like your review here: https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/pull/266
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2021-01-20 12:04:36 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: If you can resolve the MR conflicts in #260, I'm planning to merge it now since there is no other oppositions from others. WDYT ?
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2021-01-20 12:19:31 +0100TheTsarTsar
2021-01-20 12:20:11 +0100 <Tsar> Quick question: is there a xmonad-user channel, or should I just ask my lowly, noncontributor questions here? :)
2021-01-20 12:24:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> Tsar: it's a rare occasion that we're discussing maintainer disputes here, don't worry about it and feel free to ask user questions here
2021-01-20 12:28:42 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: merged #266 (was waiting for the CI and went afk in the meantime)
2021-01-20 12:29:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: re #260, I was hoping to get feedback from distro (Debian) folks first, and I was going to send a reminder e-mail today
2021-01-20 12:29:47 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: but if you feel it's a good idea to merge it anyway, I can definitely resolve the conflicts
2021-01-20 12:32:24 +0100 <Tsar> I'm looking for a layout that will put tiles side by side on horizontal screens (w > h) and one on top of the other on vertical ones (w =< h) - do you know one that behaves like that?
2021-01-20 12:43:15 +0100 <Liskni_si> Tsar: I was sure there is one but I can't find it :-(
2021-01-20 12:43:52 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: Yes, please resolve the conflicts. I want to merge it as I believe it will hugely simplify things.
2021-01-20 12:45:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> Tsar: I definitely think it'd be useful to have something like that, though :-)
2021-01-20 12:45:45 +0100 <Tsar> Liskni_si: I'm pretty sure there is one as well, since it seems like a common use case, looked through the xmonad-contrib layouts but couldn't find it though. Now that I think about it maybe it's common enough to get included in the base package
2021-01-20 12:45:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> psibi[m]: okay, I'll do it as soon as I deal with the fallout from apt full-upgrade :-)
2021-01-20 12:45:53 +0100 <Tsar> I will check there
2021-01-20 12:46:33 +0100 <Solid> there is X.L.PerScreen
2021-01-20 12:47:08 +0100 <Solid> though it doesn't *quite* do what you want, in that it only takes the width of the screen and then does things
2021-01-20 12:47:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> That's probably the one I was looking for! :-)
2021-01-20 12:47:47 +0100 <Solid> but that should easily be generalizable
2021-01-20 12:48:00 +0100 <Solid> It's a weird name
2021-01-20 12:48:08 +0100 <Tsar> is it in the base package or the -contrib?
2021-01-20 12:48:19 +0100 <Solid> it's in contrib
2021-01-20 12:48:31 +0100 <Tsar> (sorry, I'm still a bit awkward moving around the docs)
2021-01-20 12:49:02 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: Thank you!
2021-01-20 12:49:38 +0100 <Solid> Tsar: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-PerScreen.html
2021-01-20 12:50:03 +0100 <Liskni_si> I wonder how safe PerScreen is, though, as it doesn't send the Hide message to the layout that is being deactivated like X.L.IfMax does.
2021-01-20 12:50:11 +0100 <Tsar> yup, found it - and learned that hackage "search" is not package-wide :)
2021-01-20 12:50:29 +0100 <Liskni_si> anyway, peti strikes again
2021-01-20 12:50:34 +0100 <Liskni_si> we have a revert storm
2021-01-20 12:50:35 +0100 <Tsar> well, there is one way for me to find out
2021-01-20 12:50:42 +0100 <Tsar> thanks Solid
2021-01-20 12:50:43 +0100 <Liskni_si> just what we suspected was going to happen a week ago
2021-01-20 12:51:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> I hoped it wouldn't come to this but at this point I agree reverting the commit bit is justified :-/
2021-01-20 12:53:31 +0100 <Solid> Tsar: np, let us know how it goes :)
2021-01-20 12:53:51 +0100 <Solid> It may be worth creating a module that subsumes IfMax and PerScreen
2021-01-20 12:54:05 +0100 <Solid> "give me some sort of predicate to decide which layout to choose"
2021-01-20 12:54:31 +0100 <Liskni_si> Yes, that would be good!
2021-01-20 12:56:46 +0100 <Solid> I'll write it down somewhere :P
2021-01-20 13:05:54 +0100 <psibi[m]> Liskni_si: Lol, it seems Peter has reverted my commit.
2021-01-20 13:08:09 +0100 <fizzie> Hmm, I did what I think is a borderline reasonable DSL for my homegrown auto-XRandR XMonad thing for identifying screens -- https://github.com/fis/dot-xmonad/blob/master/zem/src/Zem/AutoRandr.hs -- wonder if that could be useful in other contexts too. Maybe it's a bit too low-level for most purposes.
2021-01-20 13:09:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> yep
2021-01-20 13:09:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> 20:21:49 <Liskni_si> (I'm guessing that if I push an actual revert, things are going to get ugly)
2021-01-20 13:09:31 +0100 <Liskni_si> said this 10 days ago, still true.
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2021-01-20 13:58:48 +0100 <Tsar> Solid: tested, worked like a charm - that was just what I needed
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2021-01-20 14:04:40 +0100 <Solid> \o/
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2021-01-20 14:42:15 +0100 <Solid> holy hell my inbox is full right now
2021-01-20 14:42:31 +0100 <Solid> I see you two were having a fun conversation with peti
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2021-01-20 15:03:34 +0100 <Tsar> looking through layouts - Stoppable looks wild :D
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2021-01-20 15:05:12 +0100 <Solid> that looks... interesting :P
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2021-01-20 15:06:14 +0100 <Tsar> don't want to test it right now as I'm actually intending on running the resource hog I do, but will try it out later
2021-01-20 15:06:27 +0100 <Liskni_si> Also unfortunately somewhat useless with multiple browser windows. :-/
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2021-01-20 15:07:02 +0100 <Tsar> but imagine how smooth my minecraft will run! :D
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2021-01-20 15:08:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> I mean, browsers could do this themselves. They (some of them) already treat inactive tabs differently, suspending redraws and throttling timers and so on. Unfortunately at least chrome is unable to detect that a window is inactive: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491930
2021-01-20 15:09:13 +0100 <Tsar> firefox ftw
2021-01-20 15:09:19 +0100 <Liskni_si> I guess maybe firefox does this, but my experience with firefox has been that it consumes more power when totally idle than chrome.
2021-01-20 15:09:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> So not really a win, either.
2021-01-20 15:10:31 +0100 <Tsar> alright, about to test MagicFocus, I'll either love it so much I won't be able to live without it OR I'll get an epilepsy attack :D
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2021-01-20 15:12:37 +0100 <fizzie> I try to remember to keep a blank "new tab" tab open as frontmost in all browser windows when not using them, and hate it being necessary a little bit every time I switch to it.
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2021-01-20 15:13:30 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: yeah, I use that workaround as well
2021-01-20 15:13:54 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: I even made a browser extensions that lets you type into those blank tabs: https://github.com/liskin/empty-tab
2021-01-20 15:14:21 +0100Tsar(~Tsar@89-73-72-8.dynamic.chello.pl)
2021-01-20 15:14:31 +0100 <Liskni_si> my wife would have 20 or 30 blank windows and would endlessly search for the one she wants, and I couldn't look at that suffering any more :-)
2021-01-20 15:15:47 +0100 <fizzie> Heh, handy. I just installed the Google Earth View extension in Chrome, so that it's at least visually interesting. But I only have two "permanent" browser windows.
2021-01-20 15:15:49 +0100 <Tsar> magicFocus is awesome* (before use make sure focus follows mouse is disabled)
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2021-01-20 15:22:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: re fun conversation, at least it's moving somewhere; throwing insults at each other is somehow more "welcoming" than the silent treatment, as far as I am concerned
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2021-01-20 15:32:36 +0100 <Liskni_si> (a couple weeks ago my wife was almost about to break covid self-isolation and rage-buy a plane ticket when her parents were refusing to communicate with one another and suggested that maybe we should also resolve disputes without shouting; so I'm well aware that people's preferences on this matter vary)
2021-01-20 15:34:59 +0100 <Tsar> is... is this still about the browser tabs? D:
2021-01-20 15:36:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> nope :-)
2021-01-20 15:36:58 +0100 <Tsar> I may have missed some messages when reloading
2021-01-20 15:37:38 +0100 <Solid> there is a bot logging the channel linked in the /topic
2021-01-20 15:37:47 +0100 <Solid> but I wouldn't bother, it's mostly boring drama
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2021-01-20 15:38:52 +0100 <Solid> my take is that this will never get resolved unless we get some BDFL action from either byorgey or geekosaur
2021-01-20 15:38:57 +0100 <Solid> I don't know how good that is
2021-01-20 15:39:05 +0100 <Solid> but I can't see an end to this discussion otherwise
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2021-01-20 15:43:10 +0100 <Liskni_si> well the last comment seems like a return to civilized discussion
2021-01-20 15:44:01 +0100 <Liskni_si> I don't know what happened and I am not cynical enough to suggest that me swearing at him helped, but... it's the best explanation I have so far :-D
2021-01-20 15:44:04 +0100 <Solid> yes I do admit I haven't been keeping up in the last hour or so
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2021-01-20 19:32:19 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: looking at your autorandr thing… I wonder is there any reason to have that code run inside of xmonad or would it work just as well standalone?
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2021-01-20 20:58:13 +0100 <fizzie> Liskni_si: It would work just as well standalone, I just felt like pretending I'm using one of those Desktop Environments™.
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2021-01-20 21:20:58 +0100 <Liskni_si> fizzie: :-D
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