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| 2021-01-12 07:39:34 +0100 | palo1 | palo |
| 2021-01-12 08:44:19 +0100 | <Solid> | xacktm: you can make a conditional managehook |
| 2021-01-12 08:44:58 +0100 | <Solid> | X.H.ManageHelpers.currentWs can, for example, be used to query the current workspace |
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| 2021-01-12 15:03:05 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | mc47: I probably won't get to taking a look any time soon, sorry |
| 2021-01-12 15:05:26 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | opening github doesn't spark joy any more :-/ |
| 2021-01-12 15:10:02 +0100 | ericsagnes | (~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:831f:8b96:1f06:89e1) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-01-12 15:15:04 +0100 | <Solid> | I don't think anyone can fault you for that... |
| 2021-01-12 15:15:33 +0100 | <Solid> | I was hoping this was gonna get resolved semi-quickly |
| 2021-01-12 15:16:34 +0100 | <mc47> | it's definitely understandable... no rush, I only observed what happened and it made me feel bad |
| 2021-01-12 15:17:43 +0100 | <mc47> | you don't need to apologize ;) |
| 2021-01-12 15:17:54 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | yeah, well, expectations usually lead to disappointment |
| 2021-01-12 15:18:22 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | I always remind myself this, and then still expect and disappoint |
| 2021-01-12 15:19:04 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | so I'll just spend time elsewhere, and time will heal |
| 2021-01-12 15:19:27 +0100 | <mc47> | would've done the same if I were you |
| 2021-01-12 15:21:01 +0100 | <Solid> | I'm still hoping someone "will do the right thing" :/ |
| 2021-01-12 15:22:02 +0100 | <mc47> | I always assumed when a conflict would arise, it would've been resolved somewhat "democratically", at least in the maintainer circle |
| 2021-01-12 15:22:05 +0100 | <mc47> | oh well |
| 2021-01-12 15:22:19 +0100 | <mc47> | It's unfortunate |
| 2021-01-12 15:22:20 +0100 | ericsagnes | (~ericsagne@2405:6580:0:5100:7525:3d36:8cf7:15dd) |
| 2021-01-12 15:22:47 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | these structures are way more brittle than one might expect |
| 2021-01-12 15:23:55 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | especially here, where most maintainers are AWOL |
| 2021-01-12 15:24:06 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | and I'm not a people person at all |
| 2021-01-12 15:24:31 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | I've seen enough in my life that the only thing I'm sure about is that I can never tell right from wrong |
| 2021-01-12 15:25:01 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | so even though you two perhaps believe my side is the correct one, I don't |
| 2021-01-12 15:25:23 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | anyway, let's not get too sentimental |
| 2021-01-12 15:27:18 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | even before it all went sideways, I sent an email to the list ccing Adam Sjøgren who wanted to refactor generatemanpage and ccing the debian maintainers |
| 2021-01-12 15:27:49 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | if/when they reply, it might be easier to tell what's real and what's not |
| 2021-01-12 15:28:24 +0100 | seschwar | (~seschwar@unaffiliated/seschwar) |
| 2021-01-12 15:28:50 +0100 | <mc47> | Technically I'm not sure what's the right thing to do |
| 2021-01-12 15:29:14 +0100 | <mc47> | but the way the conflict was handled is kinda an abuse of power (which isn't justified) |
| 2021-01-12 15:30:03 +0100 | berberman_ | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in) |
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| 2021-01-12 15:32:55 +0100 | berberman | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) |
| 2021-01-12 15:33:58 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | It's just weird. There's probably some hidden context somewhere that might explain it, or something. |
| 2021-01-12 15:37:08 +0100 | berberman | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Max SendQ exceeded) |
| 2021-01-12 15:37:35 +0100 | <Solid> | I can see that peti worked quite a bit on that file; maybe he just doesn't want all of that work "to have been for nothing"? I don't know |
| 2021-01-12 15:38:17 +0100 | <Solid> | but quite frankly I think, regardless of who was "right", that there has been an injustice here |
| 2021-01-12 15:38:49 +0100 | berberman | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) |
| 2021-01-12 15:38:52 +0100 | <Solid> | it's quite telling that the only reason why this didn't turn into a gigantic shitshow is that you showed restraint and didn't revert that commit |
| 2021-01-12 15:39:49 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | and that's because I've seen a nontrivial amount of such shitshows, and I've been on the wrong side several times :-) |
| 2021-01-12 15:39:56 +0100 | berberman | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) (Max SendQ exceeded) |
| 2021-01-12 15:40:19 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | it's a learning opportunity :-) |
| 2021-01-12 15:40:48 +0100 | berberman | (~berberman@unaffiliated/berberman) |
| 2021-01-12 15:41:07 +0100 | <vrs> | I haven't looked close enough to have an actual technical opinion, but the charitable interpretation of peti's actions is that he forced the issue instead of letting it fester |
| 2021-01-12 15:42:29 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | (the most recent one was a month ago where an ex-colleague of mine who is definitely much further on the spectrum than I am went full berserk on pulseaudio devs after 2 years or work on bluetooth codecs, and I tried to salvage the effort) |
| 2021-01-12 15:43:13 +0100 | <Liskni_si> | (being able to hear opinions of both sides was pretty interesting) |
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