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2021-01-04 06:41:44 +0100 <abhixec> Anyone here use xmonad on debian? I am trying to make switch from Arch to Debian but want to know how people get the latest xmonad/xmonad-contrib on debian?
2021-01-04 06:45:02 +0100 <psibi[m]> I use a debian based distro. I think you can just use stack/cabal to get the latest xmonad/xmonad-contrib and get it working.
2021-01-04 06:50:48 +0100 <abhixec> thanks psibi[m]
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2021-01-04 08:17:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> abhixec: I'm also on debian, been using ghc from deb + stack to build xmonad since forever, these days it's smooth sailing
2021-01-04 08:22:18 +0100 <abhixec> Liskni_si: that is good to know!
2021-01-04 08:23:05 +0100 <dminuoso> abhixec: You can also just install ghc/cabal-install with ghcup and do it yourself. It's really not much extra work, and it detaches you from all idionsyncracies of your package management system.
2021-01-04 08:23:08 +0100 <abhixec> thanks! I am looking to move to debian because I want something stable to I can focus on work rather than having to tinker everytime I update
2021-01-04 08:23:26 +0100et09(~et09@unaffiliated/endolphin) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2021-01-04 08:23:41 +0100 <dminuoso> If I wasn't on NixOS, which gives me the freedom to intermix these two things freely, it's what I'd do.
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2021-01-04 08:24:26 +0100 <abhixec> dminuoso: is nixos on top of debian or is it separate OS?
2021-01-04 08:24:37 +0100 <abhixec> I have been very curious about nixos for sometime now!
2021-01-04 08:24:40 +0100 <dminuoso> It's a separate operating system.
2021-01-04 08:25:09 +0100 <dminuoso> It's far on the exotic side of distributions, for certain.
2021-01-04 08:25:42 +0100 <srhb> However, Nix (the package manager) can work on top of Debian -- though the benefits are reduced :)
2021-01-04 08:28:16 +0100 <dminuoso> abhixec: Part of the reason why I'd probably go with the custom build route, is because it gives me the freedom to just depend on packages/versions with constraints/flags as I want.
2021-01-04 08:32:22 +0100 <abhixec> I am very intrigued! but currently I just want something that will be stable enough and get me to do my work without me having to tinker too much! I am afraid nixOS is would require a commitement from my end to learn which I would probably do sometime later this year *fingers crossed*
2021-01-04 08:33:42 +0100 <dminuoso> I wasn't talking about NixOS here. :)
2021-01-04 08:53:22 +0100 <Solid> Still waiting for that init system abstraction in nixos :>
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2021-01-04 09:27:08 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: can I properly rebase another pull request on github? github _really_ wants me to merge changes instead :/
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2021-01-04 09:40:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: not sure I understand, can you elaborate?
2021-01-04 09:43:53 +0100 <Solid> I want to rebase this https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/170 on top of current master, but github's "you can edit this pr" tools want me to merge it into master directly
2021-01-04 09:48:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh, I have no idea what can be done using the github UI
2021-01-04 09:49:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> I vaguely remember that repo admins (which I don't think you are) may in some circumstances push into forks, but this may be limited to enterprise private repos or something
2021-01-04 09:49:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> when I click the Resolve conflicts button, it tells me "Resolving conflicts between mavant:issue/164 and xmonad:master and committing changes → mavant:issue/164" so maybe if I do that it will push something into the fork?
2021-01-04 09:50:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> Anyway the best way is to just do it all from the command line and then close the PR manually
2021-01-04 09:50:55 +0100 <Liskni_si> (although that way the link between the commit and the original PR will be lost)
2021-01-04 09:53:06 +0100 <Solid> I wish github wouldn't obfuscate stuff like this with their web ui :/
2021-01-04 09:55:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> hm, I wanted to test where it will push it by resolving the conflicts, but there's no way I'm going to be able to resolve a several dozen line conflict in that ui
2021-01-04 09:55:16 +0100 <Liskni_si> that thing is beyond useless
2021-01-04 09:55:24 +0100gazler(~gazler@2001:8b0:b165:a8d2::2)
2021-01-04 09:55:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> I wonder what the target audience is
2021-01-04 09:56:22 +0100 <Solid> I just checked it (by resolving the conlicts myself and just copying the whole file into that horrible web UI :>)
2021-01-04 09:56:37 +0100 <Solid> it just merges the changes into the pr
2021-01-04 09:56:46 +0100 <Solid> which now has two commits, one of them being that merge
2021-01-04 09:56:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> (but I don't find gitlab's ui better)
2021-01-04 09:57:18 +0100 <Liskni_si> that probably means github would let you git push --force into the fork directly
2021-01-04 10:18:11 +0100 <Solid> ah that worked very nicely, thank you!
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2021-01-04 10:46:10 +0100 <Liskni_si> it's a bit unintuitive
2021-01-04 11:06:30 +0100 <Solid> indeed, getting access to someone else's repo like that feels... weird
2021-01-04 11:23:09 +0100 <everythingTaken> Hi everyone, any news on borderless single windows on Xinerema?
2021-01-04 11:25:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> 23:43:58 <Liskni_si> ?tell everythingTaken please try https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/pull/440
2021-01-04 11:26:12 +0100 <Liskni_si> I wonder why lambdabot didn't tell you as soon as you entered :-/
2021-01-04 11:26:43 +0100 <everythingTaken> Liskni_si: it messaged me, I was like wtf who is this lambdabot
2021-01-04 11:27:53 +0100 <everythingTaken> it says "Liskni_si said something 2days 11 hours ago"
2021-01-04 11:28:12 +0100 <everythingTaken> why the time wrong?
2021-01-04 11:28:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> is it wrong?
2021-01-04 11:28:52 +0100 <everythingTaken> oh you didnt write it now? I got it just now
2021-01-04 11:29:29 +0100 <Liskni_si> I said it at 23:43:58 CET a few days ago
2021-01-04 11:29:42 +0100 <Liskni_si> lambdabot told you as soon as you came
2021-01-04 11:36:10 +0100 <everythingTaken> Liskni_si: thanks! I will try to test it from git repo, but last time I had trouble setting it up from source, many dependency errors etc. It was a nightmare, maybe has to do with ARch. Anyway to do make it work with Xmonad installed with pacman? Manually copy pasting NoBorders.hs etc, Xmonad from pacman is a bin right?
2021-01-04 11:38:12 +0100 <jusa> hello, I'm trying to achieve following 1) if there is only one "window" with SubLayouts (so multiple windows tabbed) I could do focusUp & Down on that group, 2) if there are multiple windows and even one of them is not tabbed, do regular focusUp.. what I'm struggling with is if there is a way to figure out when we have multiple windows which all are a part of group or not
2021-01-04 11:38:48 +0100 <jusa> any ideas
2021-01-04 11:38:51 +0100 <jusa> ? :)
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2021-01-04 12:22:09 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh did they leave again? 🤦
2021-01-04 12:22:48 +0100 <Liskni_si> ?tell everythingTaken putting NoBorders.hs into ~/.xmonad/lib and renaming to something like XNoBorders and then import XNoBorders might be the easiest way to test it
2021-01-04 12:22:49 +0100 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
2021-01-04 12:24:01 +0100 <Liskni_si> jusa: doesn't the regular focusUp do the same thing as focusUp in a group?
2021-01-04 12:25:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> (but if you need something considerably more advanced, there is a way, it just isn't very pretty, isn't finished, isn't upstream)
2021-01-04 12:41:23 +0100cfricke(~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke)
2021-01-04 12:41:48 +0100 <jusa> Liskni_si: nope, those consider grouped windows as one window
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2021-01-04 13:32:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> jusa: weird, that's not the behaviour I'm seeing here
2021-01-04 13:34:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> focusUp/Down from XMonad.StackSet don't know anything about SubLayouts, and the stack of windows is just that, a Stack of Window, so XMonad.StackSet ops just move the focus in the stack and SubLayouts then guesses what was meant by that
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2021-01-04 14:11:34 +0100 <Solid> we now only have one page of open pull requests \o/
2021-01-04 14:13:03 +0100 <Liskni_si> nice
2021-01-04 14:13:22 +0100 <Liskni_si> I guess I could improve that by merging some of mine
2021-01-04 14:13:33 +0100 <Liskni_si> but I'm still in christmas mode
2021-01-04 14:13:58 +0100 <Solid> :D
2021-01-04 14:14:00 +0100 <Solid> that's totally fine
2021-01-04 14:14:28 +0100 <Solid> but I think it would be kind of nice to get this looming v0.17 done in the new few months
2021-01-04 14:16:05 +0100 <jusa> Liskni_si: hmm.. strange..
2021-01-04 14:16:42 +0100 <jusa> probably a bug in my end then, my xmonad.hs has lived quite a long and many xmonad versions and is pretty messy
2021-01-04 14:17:17 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: yeah, unfortunately we already missed the chance to get it done before debian bullseye :-(
2021-01-04 14:17:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> I should've done that damn X.H.Focus refactor already
2021-01-04 14:17:44 +0100 <Solid> oh did we? :/
2021-01-04 14:17:54 +0100 <Liskni_si> freeze is on 12th i've heard
2021-01-04 14:18:03 +0100 <Solid> I guess that means we won't be removing any deprecations anytime soon :>
2021-01-04 14:19:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> we'd need to figure out visibility of deprecation warnings first anyway
2021-01-04 14:23:28 +0100 <Solid> yeah true
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2021-01-04 14:34:02 +0100 <jusa> Liskni_si: I have BoringWindows focusUp/Down in use :D thanks for pointing me to right direction
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2021-01-04 22:08:11 +0100 <T_X> hi! I'm trying to create virtual monitor which I would like to assign a fixed xmonad workspace to. which I then would like to use for capturing/streaming via OBS Studio
2021-01-04 22:08:55 +0100 <T_X> I tried using "xrandr --setmonitor dummy 2560/309x1440/174+0+0 none". and I can actually select the monitor "dummy" in OBS Studio. however it seems to be just a mirror of the actual laptop monitor
2021-01-04 22:10:10 +0100 <T_X> so I see "dummy" in "xrandr --listactivemonitors". but it's not listed as a new display in plain "xrandr" output
2021-01-04 22:10:41 +0100 <T_X> which I guess is the reason why I can't switch to it via xmonad?
2021-01-04 22:25:38 +0100ohmysomuchuser(~nickednam@037008230157.dynamic-3-poz-k-1-2-0.vectranet.pl)
2021-01-04 22:25:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> T_X: the problem with that is you're actually adding a mirror as the offsets are 0, 0
2021-01-04 22:26:14 +0100 <Liskni_si> if you use +2560+0 instead, it will add a second "monitor"
2021-01-04 22:26:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> but I don't think it's going to work anyway
2021-01-04 22:27:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> xrandr --fb 5120x1440 can then be used to actually extend the framebuffer to this second monitor, at which point OBS will probably be able to see windows on that monitor, but X won't let you move the mouse there
2021-01-04 22:30:07 +0100 <Liskni_si> T_X: maybe this might work: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/585078/11549
2021-01-04 22:30:11 +0100thc202(~thc202@unaffiliated/thc202) (Quit: thc202)
2021-01-04 22:32:30 +0100 <T_X> Liskni_si: ah, thanks! I think that's also the direction I'm currently looking into. had found this one: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1410831#p1410831
2021-01-04 22:32:51 +0100 <T_X> which kind of seems to work, this hijacking of an unconnected monitor output
2021-01-04 22:33:31 +0100 <T_X> the only issue I'm now have remaining is that as soon as I switch to the workspace which the virtual monitor is currently on, that xmonad than swaps the workspaces
2021-01-04 22:34:00 +0100 <Liskni_si> hm, I wonder why reusing disconnected outputs didn't work for me when I wrote that answer
2021-01-04 22:34:15 +0100 <T_X> so I currently seem to be unable to have both the virtual and the real laptop monitor assigned to the same workspace
2021-01-04 22:34:51 +0100 <Liskni_si> if you want them to be the same workspace, then you don't need a separate dummy monitor at all do you?
2021-01-04 22:36:43 +0100 <T_X> Liskni_si: not quite. I want the virtual one to be always fixed to the same workspace. and for the physical monitor I want to be able to switch between various workspaces
2021-01-04 22:37:35 +0100 <Liskni_si> oh
2021-01-04 22:37:38 +0100 <T_X> so ideally that I can be sure that I'm not accidentally streaming a window I don't want to. I only want to stream from a fixed workspace
2021-01-04 22:37:55 +0100 <T_X> but still want to be able to switch to other workspaces with my physical monitor when needed
2021-01-04 22:37:56 +0100 <Liskni_si> I'm afraid that's not possible with X11
2021-01-04 22:38:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> two monitors can't display the same workspace
2021-01-04 22:38:09 +0100 <T_X> and want to be able to swap in windows to the streaming workspace
2021-01-04 22:38:37 +0100 <T_X> urgh, okay, so that's an X11 thing?
2021-01-04 22:38:37 +0100 <Liskni_si> you'd need to move the "dummy" monitor to be a mirror (same offsets as primary) whenever you want both to view the same workspace
2021-01-04 22:38:58 +0100 <T_X> hm, okay
2021-01-04 22:39:02 +0100 <Liskni_si> yes, X11 only lets you map a window to one place
2021-01-04 22:39:30 +0100 <Liskni_si> in Wayland there's no problem for the WM/compositor to draw a window wherever it wants and how many times it wants
2021-01-04 22:39:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> but in X11 this can't be done without weird hacks
2021-01-04 22:40:00 +0100 <T_X> hm, okay. is it maybe possible to create a window which always displays the content of a specific workspace?
2021-01-04 22:40:32 +0100 <Liskni_si> not really
2021-01-04 22:40:35 +0100 <T_X> in OBS Studio I can also stream the contents of a specific window. so that would be another workaround that would come to my mind. not sure how well that'd perform, if at all
2021-01-04 22:40:39 +0100 <geekosaur> Liskni_si, a compositor could do it but there's no conventions for how to tell it to do so
2021-01-04 22:40:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> geekosaur: yeah I was just about to say that
2021-01-04 22:41:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> "in X11 this can't be done without weird hacks" is still true I think, as this would be a "weird hack" :-)
2021-01-04 22:44:14 +0100 <Liskni_si> T_X: can you perhaps control OBS from xmonad and have it move the capture area dynamically?
2021-01-04 22:45:10 +0100 <Liskni_si> so that when you need to view that specific workspace, it'd capture at 0, 0, and when that workspace is only visible on the dummy monitor, it'd capture at 2560, 0
2021-01-04 22:45:25 +0100 <Liskni_si> it's still a hack but less moving parts
2021-01-04 22:46:11 +0100geekosaur(42d52137@66.213.33.55) (Remote host closed the connection)
2021-01-04 22:51:52 +0100 <T_X> Liskni_si: that might work. I have to look into it, just started looking at OBS studio yesterday :D
2021-01-04 23:07:32 +0100 <T_X> oh, hm, maybe another simple solution for now: I could view the dedicated streaming workspace / virtual monitor via OBS itself :D
2021-01-04 23:07:45 +0100 <T_X> it's actually quite reactive
2021-01-04 23:08:52 +0100 <T_X> there is a bit of lag, but not much
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2021-01-04 23:09:52 +0100 <T_X> in OBS studio I have a preview of the monitor (the virtual / hijacked HDMI one). and I can also view that perview in fullscreen in OBS studio
2021-01-04 23:17:15 +0100 <T_X> argh, nope, mouse does not seem to work probably on the virtual monitor then...
2021-01-04 23:18:54 +0100 <T_X> that is mouse movement works fine on the virtual monitor, viewed in OBS studio. but as soon as I click the mouse pointer seems to briefly leave the virtual monitor. weird
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