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2020-12-12 10:22:05 +0100hp77(67245203@103.36.82.3)
2020-12-12 10:26:09 +0100 <hp77> Hello there! I have one question, Does anyone use xmonad for their personal use?
2020-12-12 10:35:33 +0100 <deebo> as opposed to?
2020-12-12 10:36:31 +0100 <hp77> I read on a blog that it is used by Site reliability engineers
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2020-12-12 10:37:05 +0100 <deebo> but hows that not personal use
2020-12-12 10:40:26 +0100 <hp77> Isn't that professional use, what I meant by personal use is like just for surfing internet, working on your local project, reading a document that way. Because I tried my hands at xmonad and it wasn't a pleasant experience.Also I couldn't find any guide to get me started, I could just create new workspaces or activate terminals in the new
2020-12-12 10:40:27 +0100 <hp77> environment but navigating in firefox was a painful experience, had to exit it.
2020-12-12 10:41:18 +0100 <hp77> pardon my inexperience but I have never had any prior experience with any WMs like xmonad
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2020-12-12 11:12:02 +0100 <Solid> hp77: everyone here is using xmonad for their personal use ;)
2020-12-12 11:17:51 +0100 <Solid> I'm not sure what you mean by "navigating in firefox"; that should just work with firefox' normal navigation, no?
2020-12-12 11:18:20 +0100 <Solid> Begginer guides are indeed kind of scattered all over the place, though there's is a default config explaining the most important functions here https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad/blob/master/src/XMonad/Config.hs
2020-12-12 11:18:44 +0100 <Solid> other than that there are a lot of user configs online; some even have good documentation ;)
2020-12-12 11:31:56 +0100 <hp77> Actually no, It is not that obvious, because eariler I could click on the links inside the window but in xmonad I don't know how to do that, I have an vim extension which allows vim keybindings in firefox but other than that it is not that obvious, with mouse I can just hover the cursor, clicks will not work, I like that there is more reliance on
2020-12-12 11:31:56 +0100 <hp77> keyboard but It is not so great when you don't know your way around, How do you navigate in some application which is open in xmonad, Solid
2020-12-12 11:32:33 +0100 <Solid> hp77: you can use the mouse in xmonad :D
2020-12-12 11:40:42 +0100 <hp77> really? I used it without any config, I guess that is why but even in the cheatsheet for mouse it is just float, resize and raise, it should be because of my defaut config then
2020-12-12 11:44:26 +0100 <Solid> hp77: the cheatsheet just tells you the keybindings *for xmonad*, i.e. you can "Float and move" a window on mod (left alt by default, though many people map it to left super) and mouse1
2020-12-12 11:45:59 +0100 <Solid> but application controls are completely different; xmonad doesn't grab these keys at all, just sends them through to the application
2020-12-12 11:46:10 +0100 <Solid> so left click in a firefox window will do what left click always does in a firefox window
2020-12-12 11:47:08 +0100 <hp77> '=D I don't I had a different experience, Hardware issues well idk will give it another go then, thanks (y)
2020-12-12 11:47:13 +0100 <hp77> *know
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2020-12-12 14:02:12 +0100 <nova> I have a weird question
2020-12-12 14:04:22 +0100 <nova> In my winder manager, I always map F{1,2,3} to xdotool click {1,2,3} because touchpads, and it's really convenient. But xdotool doesn't work with context menus. Is there a way to inject a real mouse click with xmonad somehow?
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2020-12-12 14:14:40 +0100 <geekosaur> context menus usually do grabs; nothing can be injected by anything
2020-12-12 14:15:30 +0100 <geekosaur> not even with the XTEST extension which would (with security implications) let you inject real instead of virtual events
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2020-12-12 14:17:42 +0100 <geekosaur> hm, XTEST might allow it at that; that'd be one of the security implications. but it can't be turned on only for certain programs, only for the server as a whole
2020-12-12 14:18:11 +0100 <nova> Muuwwaahehehehehhh. MUWWAAHEHEHEHEHEHH. I found a pot of gold. https://shallowsky.com/blog/tags/xmodmap/
2020-12-12 14:21:51 +0100 <nova> and it's even better than xdotool's click because you can hold mouse down by holding down F1.
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2020-12-12 15:17:03 +0100 <geekosaur> is the person who reported an issue with FadeWindows and picom around? we need more information. https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/419
2020-12-12 15:17:41 +0100 <geekosaur> my initial guess as to the problem is wrong and someone doing a quick test couldn't reproduce it
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2020-12-12 15:28:28 +0100 <Solid> ?tell ybenel r.e. FadeInactive not working: can you try the minimal config in the following issue https://github.com/xmonad/xmonad-contrib/issues/419 and see if this works for you?
2020-12-12 15:28:28 +0100 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
2020-12-12 15:28:43 +0100 <Solid> oh they are here even
2020-12-12 15:37:36 +0100 <dminuoso> What's the actual mechanism how an application requests a window? Would the application connect to the X server as a client, and then speak ICCCM to the window manager?
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2020-12-12 15:39:21 +0100 <geekosaur> not sure if I understand the question.
2020-12-12 15:40:33 +0100 <geekosaur> an application connects to the X server and does an XCreateWindow call with the parent being the root window. ICCCM comes in with respect to MapRequest or ConfigureRequest events on the window afterward
2020-12-12 15:41:42 +0100 <geekosaur> like most tiling window managers, we ignore ConfigureRequest and do it during MapRequest. this is technically wrong but supported for backward compatibility by X servers
2020-12-12 15:44:14 +0100 <Solid> ah geekosaur I figured it out; the original bug report was for FadeWindows and I just looked at that module and the documentation is just wrong...
2020-12-12 15:44:54 +0100 <Solid> it tells you to do `composeAll [isUnfocused --> transparency 0.2, opaque]`, but `composeAll = mconcat` so it just goes through the list, matches on the wildcard, and turns everything opaqe
2020-12-12 15:45:02 +0100 <Solid> s/opaqe/opaque/
2020-12-12 15:45:57 +0100 <geekosaur> pretty sure that doc has been overhauled at least once with respect to ordering
2020-12-12 15:48:04 +0100 <Solid> a quick git blame shows no edits in that region ever since the module was introduced
2020-12-12 15:48:15 +0100 <Solid> maybe composeAll was defined differently in the past?
2020-12-12 15:48:24 +0100 <Solid> I haven't been using xmonad long enough to say
2020-12-12 15:48:43 +0100 <dminuoso> geekosaur: Ah I see
2020-12-12 15:53:30 +0100 <geekosaur> Solid, afaik its always been mconcat with the only difference being presence or absence of additional type constraints
2020-12-12 15:53:53 +0100 <Solid> huh, interesting
2020-12-12 15:54:29 +0100 <Solid> I'll submit a doc fix if you don't mind, maybe that was ybenel's only problem
2020-12-12 15:54:50 +0100 <geekosaur> I don't recall at this point whether I ever actually used FadeWindows, I switched to compton and used its mechanisms instead
2020-12-12 15:55:12 +0100 <geekosaur> granting that xcompmgr was so buggy that it would have been hard to tell if it was working right ;)
2020-12-12 15:55:34 +0100 <geekosaur> (also had an emergency keybinding to kill xcompmgr because it kept going into infinite loops)
2020-12-12 15:57:01 +0100 <Solid> that sounds... like an adenturous time :D
2020-12-12 15:57:13 +0100 <Solid> s/aden/adven/
2020-12-12 15:58:45 +0100 <dminuoso> geekosaur: Do you know of any good resources that would walk me through how everything fits together? Or is it just "read tronche's manuals"?
2020-12-12 15:59:25 +0100 <geekosaur> even tronche's manuals aren't enough. you pretty much have to have the code to a window manager ope for reference
2020-12-12 15:59:36 +0100 <geekosaur> althoguh there are a few references out there now
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2020-12-12 16:38:50 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: last time I checked composeAll did the last thing first
2020-12-12 16:39:05 +0100 <Liskni_si> That is, the last endo on windowset
2020-12-12 16:39:16 +0100 <Liskni_si> Ops in X are done top to bottom
2020-12-12 16:39:26 +0100 <Liskni_si> It's quite confusing
2020-12-12 16:44:21 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: yes (<>) for Endo is just (.), so mconcat should match bottom to top, as function composition is right-associative
2020-12-12 16:44:32 +0100 <Solid> I probably said it wrong above
2020-12-12 16:47:03 +0100 <Solid> oh but there's more
2020-12-12 16:47:14 +0100 <Solid> we're not even dealing with ManageHooks here, we're dealing with FadeHooks
2020-12-12 16:47:32 +0100 <Solid> which are not written in terms of endomorphisms, but simply ignore the left argument if there's a right one
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2020-12-12 17:55:48 +0100 <geekosaur> there may be a more fundamental bug i FadeHooks since I nwas basically copying code without knowing exactly what I was doing at the time
2020-12-12 17:56:09 +0100 <geekosaur> I didn't intend simply throwing away effects but may not have enough there to do what I did intend
2020-12-12 17:58:48 +0100 <Solid> I think the model still fits; a FadeHook is solely there to specify the opacity of a certain window, so stopping after having found a match seems reasonable enough to me
2020-12-12 18:10:45 +0100 <Liskni_si> that behaviour can be obtained by telling people to use composeOne :-)
2020-12-12 18:11:08 +0100 <Liskni_si> maybe that's unnecessary complication though :-)
2020-12-12 18:17:12 +0100 <geekosaur> combining FadeHooks is complication already, tbh
2020-12-12 18:18:03 +0100 <geekosaur> combining, say, transience and some per-app hook was a case I was trying to support, but didn't like what I came up with (not that it would have worked anyway)
2020-12-12 18:25:10 +0100 <Solid> Liskni_si: composeOne in its current state requires a `Query (Maybe (Endo WindowSet))`, which is a far cry from what a FadeHook actually is
2020-12-12 18:29:59 +0100 <Liskni_si> Solid: oh, right
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2020-12-12 23:34:59 +0100By_JumperX4[m]sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iEiAnBSFRFbGYEEYanSLfUlq/message.txt >
2020-12-12 23:38:01 +0100 <vrs> By_JumperX4[m]: try mod+t to unfloat
2020-12-12 23:38:16 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> nope
2020-12-12 23:38:25 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> doesn't work
2020-12-12 23:38:29 +0100 <vrs> ??
2020-12-12 23:38:33 +0100 <vrs> what's your config
2020-12-12 23:38:34 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> ima check if I remap it maybe
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2020-12-12 23:39:37 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> fuck just realized that on IRC you may not have markdown so it's maybe fucking huge
2020-12-12 23:41:43 +0100 <dminuoso> By_JumperX4[m]: The matrix bridge automatically moves bulk texts into snippets
2020-12-12 23:41:45 +0100 <dminuoso> 23:39:15 * | By_JumperX4[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EzwuXjtchSbBwmKGAOhQtDBY/message.txt >
2020-12-12 23:41:47 +0100 <vrs> no it just says "sent a long message"
2020-12-12 23:41:54 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> noice
2020-12-12 23:42:05 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I've never saw the other side x)
2020-12-12 23:42:11 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> never seen*
2020-12-12 23:42:45 +0100 <dminuoso> It's one of the better features of it, definitely. :)
2020-12-12 23:42:52 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> a big part of my config is copied without totally understanding what I'm doing
2020-12-12 23:43:38 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> oh and the content of `~/.xmonad/.startup.sh` is:
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2020-12-12 23:44:06 +0100 <vrs> why not just .xinitrc/.xsession?
2020-12-12 23:44:15 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> idk why I started putting some &&
2020-12-12 23:44:28 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I'm not using startx
2020-12-12 23:44:32 +0100 <dminuoso> By_JumperX4[m]: Curious, would I be right that you don't really know Haskell then?
2020-12-12 23:44:52 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> totally
2020-12-12 23:44:59 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I know a bit of FPC and bash
2020-12-12 23:44:59 +0100joznia(~jo@162-206-187-245.lightspeed.renonv.sbcglobal.net)
2020-12-12 23:45:03 +0100 <dminuoso> Then mind my asking, how has your xmonad experience been so far?
2020-12-12 23:45:13 +0100 <dminuoso> Is it manageable to just copy+paste bits you find?
2020-12-12 23:45:15 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> not that bad
2020-12-12 23:45:41 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> actually I try to understang as much as possible what I copy
2020-12-12 23:45:45 +0100 <vrs> I've done that for years and got by
2020-12-12 23:46:01 +0100 <joznia> hey guys, in dwm, i have a patch where the window in the master always stays where it is and windows open in the stack, but in xmonad, when i open a new window, it opens in the master. how can i get xmonad to behave the same way as dwm
2020-12-12 23:46:07 +0100 <vrs> eventually I had some more complicated stuff I wanted to implement and actually learned enough haskell to achieve it
2020-12-12 23:46:23 +0100 <dminuoso> joznia: Write an appropriate manageHook for it?
2020-12-12 23:46:54 +0100 <joznia> man i need to read up a little on haskell lol
2020-12-12 23:47:09 +0100 <Liskni_si> vrs: took me 10 years to realize that I can move most of my startupHook to .xsession :-)
2020-12-12 23:47:32 +0100 <dminuoso> joznia: Hold on
2020-12-12 23:47:37 +0100 <joznia> i put mine in .xmonad/autostart.sh and have startupHook just execute that
2020-12-12 23:47:49 +0100 <vrs> By_JumperX4[m], my experience with startx-based stuff has so far been, occasionally the env there lacks some critical variables and it can be really annoying to debug. whatever you're using, log your env variables so that you know you're not dealing with the same problem
2020-12-12 23:47:54 +0100 <Liskni_si> (and about the same to realize that having "exec startx" in .bash_profile is better than waiting for lightdm to implement root-less X)
2020-12-12 23:48:07 +0100 <vrs> (re your first problem)
2020-12-12 23:48:58 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> > having "exec startx" in .bash_profile
2020-12-12 23:48:58 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I have to type my name and my password before to login, and that's extremely annoying x)
2020-12-12 23:49:01 +0100 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:22: error: <hint>:1:22: error: parse error on input ‘in’
2020-12-12 23:49:14 +0100 <Liskni_si> joznia: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Hooks-InsertPosition.html
2020-12-12 23:49:16 +0100 <vrs> hmm .bash_profile is not necessarily the best place for it, what if you want a regular text login shell
2020-12-12 23:49:24 +0100 <joznia> use another tty
2020-12-12 23:49:53 +0100 <Liskni_si> vrs: there's an "if" that checks tty num
2020-12-12 23:49:58 +0100 <joznia> yeah
2020-12-12 23:50:03 +0100 <vrs> Liskni_si: dirty but works
2020-12-12 23:50:20 +0100 <Liskni_si> in reality it's a bit more complicated than that: https://github.com/liskin/dotfiles/blob/home/.bash_profile
2020-12-12 23:50:28 +0100 <Liskni_si> but I used the if for a while and was quite happy
2020-12-12 23:50:42 +0100 <dminuoso> Liskni_si: ah you beat me to it.
2020-12-12 23:51:32 +0100 <vrs> joznia: I have a similar setup but on only one workspace, where webLayout = sorted [ClassName "Firefox"] golden; golden = Tall 1 (3/100) (6/10)
2020-12-12 23:51:39 +0100 <vrs> it may be a workable alternative to a managehook
2020-12-12 23:52:02 +0100 <vrs> (using http://hackage.haskell.org/package/xmonad-contrib-0.16/docs/XMonad-Layout-SortedLayout.html)
2020-12-12 23:52:11 +0100 <joznia> alright
2020-12-12 23:52:14 +0100 <joznia> ty guys
2020-12-12 23:52:27 +0100 <vrs> but try the hook approach first, it sounds closer to what you want
2020-12-12 23:53:13 +0100 <vrs> By_JumperX4[m]: in the layout you pasted, you haven't rebound mod-t
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2020-12-12 23:53:19 +0100 <vrs> s/layout/config/
2020-12-12 23:54:05 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> vrs: yea I know
2020-12-12 23:54:22 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> but mod+t doesn't untile
2020-12-12 23:54:24 +0100 <vrs> , ("M-" ++ , withFocused $ windows . W.sink) -- flatten floating window to tiled
2020-12-12 23:54:28 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> unfloat*
2020-12-12 23:54:28 +0100 <vrs> this looks, uh
2020-12-12 23:55:07 +0100 <vrs> I don't think that even compiles
2020-12-12 23:55:39 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> may I remove that ?
2020-12-12 23:56:15 +0100 <vrs> yes
2020-12-12 23:56:23 +0100 <vrs> how did this not give you a compile error before
2020-12-12 23:56:44 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I'm not sure there is no errors actually
2020-12-12 23:56:52 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> I start xmonad from my dm
2020-12-12 23:57:51 +0100 <vrs> mod-q should recompile and give you errors if there are any
2020-12-12 23:58:20 +0100 <By_JumperX4[m]> like spawning errors on the screen ?
2020-12-12 23:58:23 +0100 <vrs> yes
2020-12-12 23:59:10 +0100 <vrs> also W.sink is the thing that takes your focused window and unfloats it, so I'm guessing here that that keybinding got broken somehow