| 2024-04-25 00:00:34 +0200 | chiselfuse | (~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2024-04-25 00:03:12 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> (continuning discussion about exofunctors) by the way, I realized my code snippet's problem is at `<*>` because that does not appear in the traditional definition of a lax monoidal functor, rather only on Haskell (with their `id f a = f a`) |
| 2024-04-25 00:03:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> could have realized this sooner, I know |
| 2024-04-25 00:04:31 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> also, I found freelude which is interesting too |
| 2024-04-25 00:04:59 +0200 | raehik | (~raehik@rdng-25-b2-v4wan-169990-cust1344.vm39.cable.virginm.net) |
| 2024-04-25 00:05:08 +0200 | <ncf> | what problem? |
| 2024-04-25 00:06:27 +0200 | <ncf> | haskell's definition is something like a lax closed functor, which are equivalent to lax monoidal functors between monoidal closed categories |
| 2024-04-25 00:07:04 +0200 | Lears | (~Leary]@user/Leary/x-0910699) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) |
| 2024-04-25 00:08:01 +0200 | <ncf> | but yes it looks like constraining x -> y is a bit random |
| 2024-04-25 00:08:46 +0200 | <ncf> | i guess you need that because of the precondition thing on FuncOf? |
| 2024-04-25 00:12:23 +0200 | peterbecich | (~Thunderbi@47.229.123.186) |
| 2024-04-25 00:15:04 +0200 | <ncf> | i guess the issue here is that Eq is not a *closed* subcategory of Hask |
| 2024-04-25 00:15:30 +0200 | <ncf> | so you can get away with ConsMonoidal but not ConsApplicative |
| 2024-04-25 00:18:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> ncf: constraints asking for too much, e.g. `a (x -> y)` |
| 2024-04-25 00:18:48 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> I need the precondition because of `(<*>) = liftA2 id` |
| 2024-04-25 00:19:14 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> and `liftA2 f a = (<*>) fmapC (f a)` |
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| 2024-04-25 00:20:39 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> `liftA2 f a = (<*> (fmapC f a))*` |
| 2024-04-25 00:21:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> since `f :: x -> y -> z` then `fmapC` implies `a x, a (y -> z)`, thus `(<*>) fs as = liftA2 id` and `id :: (x -> y) -> x -> y` implies `a (x -> y)` |
| 2024-04-25 00:23:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> and yes haskell's Applicative is that (I don't know what a lax closed functor is specifically) but after constraining you don't see `a (x -> y)` that much |
| 2024-04-25 00:23:23 +0200 | cyphase | (~cyphase@user/cyphase) (Quit: cyphase.com) |
| 2024-04-25 00:24:32 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> I realized `<*>`'s type signature is `f (x -> y) -> f x- > f y`, since `f` is assumed to work on values of `a` then `f (x -> y)` does not make much sense either |
| 2024-04-25 00:24:38 +0200 | <ncf> | https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/closed+functor |
| 2024-04-25 00:25:30 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> ah |
| 2024-04-25 00:25:49 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> so my code snippet only works on closed subcategories |
| 2024-04-25 00:27:29 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> well then I guess it being specifically a closed subcategory is not good! imagine `Eq (x -> y)` |
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| 2024-04-25 04:51:38 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> ...right, the FuncOf precondition is probably not needed anyway |
| 2024-04-25 04:52:04 +0200 | <haskellbridge> | <irregularsphere> should I make a library out of this after polishing? seems promising |
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| 2024-04-25 06:04:41 +0200 | <Inst> | wait, Int is magical, right? |
| 2024-04-25 06:04:57 +0200 | <Inst> | Int, Char, etc, they should evaluate to Int# Thunk |
| 2024-04-25 06:05:05 +0200 | <Inst> | Char# Thunk |
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| 2024-04-25 06:14:47 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Int is not magical, other than the constructor name. Int# is magical |
| 2024-04-25 06:15:41 +0200 | <c_wraith> | Int is the regular Haskell wrapper around the magic Int# |
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