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| 2021-05-11 01:10:10 +0200 | <fresheyeball> | is there any reason to not put INLINEABLE on every single function in a library? |
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| 2021-05-11 01:12:44 +0200 | <nolrai> | Isn't that the default? |
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| 2021-05-11 01:55:26 +0200 | <chris__> | hi |
| 2021-05-11 01:57:25 +0200 | <Axman6> | Hello |
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| 2021-05-11 02:15:26 +0200 | <edwardk> | nolrai: no it isn't. |
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| 2021-05-11 02:17:26 +0200 | <edwardk> | nolrai: you can almost get the same result by using -fexpose-all-unfoldings and -fspecialize-aggressively -- that is if you do so in all the code that depends on your library IIRC. |
| 2021-05-11 02:18:04 +0200 | <geekosaur> | isn't compilation going to be a lot slower in any module that imports said module? |
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| 2021-05-11 02:31:29 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | what is haskell wiki's url? |
| 2021-05-11 02:31:59 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | it's weird that it's not listed in subreddit |
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| 2021-05-11 02:35:21 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I think it's wiki.haskell.org |
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| 2021-05-11 02:43:47 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | where is haskell meta-tutorial? |
| 2021-05-11 02:43:58 +0200 | Codaraxis_ | (~Codaraxis@ip68-5-90-227.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 2021-05-11 02:44:06 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | this url gives 404 not found error: https://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Meta-tutorial |
| 2021-05-11 02:44:41 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I found a link on haskell page on wikibooks |
| 2021-05-11 02:46:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | https://wiki.haskell.org/Meta-tutorial ? |
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| 2021-05-11 02:47:47 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | this is it! thanks |
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| 2021-05-11 04:13:55 +0200 | <ski> | @wiki |
| 2021-05-11 04:13:55 +0200 | <lambdabot> | https://wiki.haskell.org |
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| 2021-05-11 04:42:22 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | ski: yes, that's the wiki I was talking about, thanks |
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| 2021-05-11 04:52:45 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | so let's say I want to add a page about various ways of solving a task, like architectural patterns, approaches, something like that |
| 2021-05-11 04:53:22 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | does a page like that fit into haskell wiki? |
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| 2021-05-11 04:54:24 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | or wikibooks |
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| 2021-05-11 04:56:16 +0200 | ADG1089 | (~aditya@223.226.229.98) |
| 2021-05-11 04:56:41 +0200 | <ADG1089> | even with the constrained nature of language is it possible to write crap code in haskell? |
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| 2021-05-11 05:06:47 +0200 | <nshepperd> | certainly |
| 2021-05-11 05:08:12 +0200 | <pjb> | I'd even say it's easier. |
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| 2021-05-11 05:18:26 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | the only article from wiki haskell I remember reading was about folds |
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| 2021-05-11 05:20:34 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I want to create a page that will list a collection of various ways of creating an application |
| 2021-05-11 05:21:18 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | something like a cookbook with emphasis on design patterns |
| 2021-05-11 05:21:51 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | does haskell wiki have pages like that? |
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| 2021-05-11 05:23:45 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I see there's a "Haskell in Practice" section in wikibooks, and under it there is "Specialized Tasks" part |
| 2021-05-11 05:24:05 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I think the page I'm describing is going to fit there |
| 2021-05-11 05:24:13 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | how about haskell wiki? |
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| 2021-05-11 05:34:19 +0200 | <ADG1089> | pjb: for example? |
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| 2021-05-11 05:50:21 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I think it's possible to write bad code in any language, writing good code - depends on the language |
| 2021-05-11 05:51:18 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | although it's going to be hard to distinguish bad and good code in the whitespace language, for example |
| 2021-05-11 05:54:06 +0200 | Athas | (athas@2a01:7c8:aaac:1cf:2394:476b:619f:8554) (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net) |
| 2021-05-11 05:54:16 +0200 | Athas | (athas@sigkill.dk) |
| 2021-05-11 05:55:57 +0200 | <pjb> | ADG1089: you have a lot of abstraction tools that you can abuse to write overly sophisticated code. |
| 2021-05-11 05:56:54 +0200 | <hololeap> | some people find `fmap` over the function instance of Functor to be bad code, but others seem to like it. there's a lot of ambiguity when it comes to what is considered "good code" |
| 2021-05-11 05:58:39 +0200 | <ADG1089> | hololeap: that seems ok to me, fmap over (->) ? |
| 2021-05-11 05:59:42 +0200 | <hololeap> | ADG1089: exactly. a lot of people see it as visually ambiguous, calling it "name that Functor/Applicative/Monad". i tend to agree :/ |
| 2021-05-11 06:00:58 +0200 | <hololeap> | that's just an example where the syntactic options given by haskell create controversy |
| 2021-05-11 06:01:27 +0200 | <ADG1089> | probably depends upon how much it allows for people to make mistakes |
| 2021-05-11 06:01:49 +0200 | <ski> | `f . g' seems simpler to grasp, to me, than `fmap f g' or `f <$> g' |
| 2021-05-11 06:02:05 +0200 | <hololeap> | the type system would prevent you from doing anyhing too far from what you want, but it might be hard to parse for someone reading your code |
| 2021-05-11 06:02:08 +0200 | <ski> | similarly for `map f xs' over `fmap f xs' |
| 2021-05-11 06:04:33 +0200 | <hololeap> | ski: i agree. using that isn't quite so generic can be good unless you have broken your code into a bunch of fragments with easy-to-parse type signatures |
| 2021-05-11 06:05:24 +0200 | ADG1089 | (~aditya@223.226.229.98) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 06:05:24 +0200 | hexfive | (~hexfive@50.35.83.177) (Quit: i must go. my people need me.) |
| 2021-05-11 06:10:28 +0200 | <ski> | occasionally, i think some code would be easier to follow, writing it as a series of transformations of types (focusing on spelling out the types explicitly, rather than focusing primarily on the steps) |
| 2021-05-11 06:14:14 +0200 | <ski> | as an example of the kind of think i had in mind, would you prefer to read `join . fmap join', or `m a <-{join}-< m (m a) <-{fmap join}-< m (m (m a))' (or `id @(m a) . join . id @(m (m a)) . fmap join . id @(m (m (m a)))') ? |
| 2021-05-11 06:14:32 +0200 | <ski> | s/think/thing/ |
| 2021-05-11 06:18:47 +0200 | Axman6 | You can write PHP in any language... |
| 2021-05-11 06:19:00 +0200 | <Axman6> | cccccckvtilvfvjnebecfchnkedrjcttjdkhubtnuvhj |
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| 2021-05-11 06:20:15 +0200 | <Axman6> | uh, thanks yubikey |
| 2021-05-11 06:20:34 +0200 | ski | was thinking about blaming the cat |
| 2021-05-11 06:20:52 +0200 | <ski> | (or perchance a toddler) |
| 2021-05-11 06:20:53 +0200 | <justsomeguy> | Ah, the dreaded irc yubikey blast; I've done that maybe ten times now? |
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| 2021-05-11 06:26:31 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | how about another problem: a lot of code with no documentation that you don't know how to approach |
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| 2021-05-11 06:27:08 +0200 | <Axman6> | is that a question? |
| 2021-05-11 06:27:27 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | when you don't know where is the beginning and where is the end |
| 2021-05-11 06:27:56 +0200 | <Iceland_jack> | minoru_shiraeesh: When faced with such a problem, I start by heavily adding type annotations |
| 2021-05-11 06:27:57 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 2021-05-11 06:27:58 +0200 | <Axman6> | then you read is more carefully. this is a very vague "question" |
| 2021-05-11 06:28:08 +0200 | <Axman6> | it* |
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| 2021-05-11 06:28:48 +0200 | <Iceland_jack> | Familiarizing myself with the types in general |
| 2021-05-11 06:29:21 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | it happened to me several times. people just spit out a giant mountain of code and expect you to figure out what's going on |
| 2021-05-11 06:29:37 +0200 | Feuermagier | (~Feuermagi@213.178.26.41) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-05-11 06:30:16 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | of course you're going to figure it out eventually, but following the same logic we could create square wheels |
| 2021-05-11 06:30:30 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | you just push it harder and it will move eventually, right? |
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| 2021-05-11 06:31:31 +0200 | Guest81 | (~textual@cpe-108-185-120-135.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 2021-05-11 06:31:56 +0200 | <Guest81> | Hello. I know ghcup + cabal is the recommended/popular way, but I'm going through the Haskell from first principles book which uses Stack. I've heard there could be issues with installing both ghcup and stack. Is that true? Or is it generally safe? Or is it trivial to replace stack with cabal for that book? |
| 2021-05-11 06:32:33 +0200 | husixu | (~husixu@137.132.117.40) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 06:32:38 +0200 | <Axman6> | I find that it's very rare that it really is just a mountain of code without any organisation - one of your first goals should be to figure out where the entry point to the code is, if it is a program - this is often "main". |
| 2021-05-11 06:33:02 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 06:33:32 +0200 | <Axman6> | Guest81: it's definitely "safe" to have both, they won't do any damage to each other, and if the tutorial is using stack, it might be a good idea to just use it, and later learn how to do the same things using cabal isntead |
| 2021-05-11 06:33:45 +0200 | justanotheruser | (~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser) |
| 2021-05-11 06:35:25 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | maybe the lack experience played a role, but the square wheels example still applies |
| 2021-05-11 06:35:27 +0200 | <Guest81> | Axman6: I guess my big concern is that I understand they both install ghc. |
| 2021-05-11 06:35:50 +0200 | <Axman6> | yes, they will both intall ghc, though you can make stack use the ghc installed by ghcup |
| 2021-05-11 06:36:19 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | and sometimes abstractions make it hard to follow the logic starting from main |
| 2021-05-11 06:37:04 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | you start from main, stumble across several interfaces and then there are like 20 implementations of those interfaces in the project |
| 2021-05-11 06:37:28 +0200 | <Axman6> | minoru_shiraeesh: these are very vague statements, we can definitely help you if you have something more concrete, but for any given piece of code, the methods you'll use to navigate it are likely to be different - do you have some specific code ytou are strugling with? |
| 2021-05-11 06:38:31 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I was just adding to the discussion of bad code |
| 2021-05-11 06:39:38 +0200 | <Axman6> | tools like Haskell language server help a lot with that particular problem, becauxe you can find out which types are actually being used for a given piece of code |
| 2021-05-11 06:40:03 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | spitting out a giant mountain of code without making it clear how to approach it - I think it also may be considered bad code |
| 2021-05-11 06:41:35 +0200 | <Axman6> | The project I'm working on has over 300k lines of code, it takes months to get a good idea of how the system works. this is true of any sufficiently complex codebase and part of learning to program is being able to deal with complexity and start to put the pieces together yourself, and develop ways to explore which efficiently answer your questions |
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| 2021-05-11 06:44:10 +0200 | <Axman6> | pretty much by definition, all code bases become domain specific languages for the problem they exist to solve, and learning that language is a big part of the job |
| 2021-05-11 06:44:21 +0200 | zaquest | (~notzaques@5.128.210.178) |
| 2021-05-11 06:44:49 +0200 | Feuermagier | (~Feuermagi@2a02:2488:4211:3400:7285:c2ff:fe22:172e) |
| 2021-05-11 06:44:52 +0200 | delonte | (415f295b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.65.95.41.91) |
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| 2021-05-11 06:44:58 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | Axman6: I think we're talking about different things, unless you're defending creating undocumented mess |
| 2021-05-11 06:45:26 +0200 | carlomagno1 | (~cararell@148.87.23.11) (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 2021-05-11 06:45:28 +0200 | <Axman6> | what makes something an undocumented mess though? |
| 2021-05-11 06:46:11 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | giant files with collections of things |
| 2021-05-11 06:46:21 +0200 | drbean_ | (~drbean@TC210-63-209-99.static.apol.com.tw) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 06:46:34 +0200 | <Axman6> | what if the things are related? what if they are necessarily complex? |
| 2021-05-11 06:46:43 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 06:46:44 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | and no documentation, no guide on how to navigate through it |
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| 2021-05-11 06:48:36 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | I expect a sane project to provide a description: here is the core, here are components, the core works like this, components work like this |
| 2021-05-11 06:49:21 +0200 | <Axman6> | that only gets you so far in a large enough system though. you at some point need to know where you would expect to find the answers |
| 2021-05-11 06:49:24 +0200 | alx741 | (~alx741@186.178.109.110) (Quit: alx741) |
| 2021-05-11 06:49:59 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | not having a description is a sign of overly optimising costs, trying to squeeze every last drop of productivity from every coder |
| 2021-05-11 06:49:59 +0200 | Tops21 | (~Tobias@dyndsl-095-033-090-210.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 2021-05-11 06:50:08 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | bad companies do that |
| 2021-05-11 06:50:09 +0200 | delonte | (415f295b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.65.95.41.91) () |
| 2021-05-11 06:50:34 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | they overly optimise and it becomes counter-productive |
| 2021-05-11 06:51:02 +0200 | <minoru_shiraeesh> | like "you want to document this thing? we don't have budget for that. go work on those tickets" |
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| 2021-05-11 06:51:28 +0200 | <Axman6> | There are ways to document a system which don't include writing comments for everything though - having a common language between the specification and the code is one particularly good way to do that |
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| 2021-05-11 06:52:33 +0200 | <Axman6> | Like, the system I'm working on, the documentation is written before the code (and updated when discrepencies are found that require it) |
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| 2021-05-11 07:05:57 +0200 | hackage | pantry 0.5.2 - Content addressable Haskell package management https://hackage.haskell.org/package/pantry-0.5.2 (MichaelSnoyman) |
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| 2021-05-11 07:39:49 +0200 | <Sososasa> | Does anyone have suggestion for a good Haskell IDE? Currently using VS Code. |
| 2021-05-11 07:40:47 +0200 | <hololeap> | Sososasa: it doesn't have the best LSP support, but i had a good experience with kate from KDE using haskell-language-server and ghcid |
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| 2021-05-11 07:41:49 +0200 | <hololeap> | i run ghcid in the built-in terminal in kate to give extra diagnostics whenever i savae |
| 2021-05-11 07:41:51 +0200 | <hololeap> | *save |
| 2021-05-11 07:46:41 +0200 | <hololeap> | LSP just works if you have haskell-language-server installed |
| 2021-05-11 07:49:06 +0200 | <Sososasa> | @hololeap thank you |
| 2021-05-11 07:49:06 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Unknown command, try @list |
| 2021-05-11 07:50:31 +0200 | <sm[m]> | Axman6++ |
| 2021-05-11 07:51:29 +0200 | <sm[m]> | evening all |
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| 2021-05-11 08:30:38 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | sm[m]: morning :) |
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| 2021-05-11 08:34:14 +0200 | <sm[m]> | morning tomsmeding |
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| 2021-05-11 09:37:23 +0200 | wonko7 | (~wonko7@62.115.229.50) |
| 2021-05-11 09:37:27 +0200 | hackage | hackage-db 2.1.1 - Access cabal-install's Hackage database via Data.Map https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hackage-db-2.1.1 (PeterSimons) |
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| 2021-05-11 10:01:02 +0200 | <makalu> | If act :: m (a, b) then with lenses I can get the first value using (^. _1) <$> act. Is there an operator for this? |
| 2021-05-11 10:01:06 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@unaffiliated/toonn) |
| 2021-05-11 10:02:59 +0200 | <dminuoso> | No. |
| 2021-05-11 10:03:29 +0200 | <dminuoso> | The only variants of this style exist for MonadState |
| 2021-05-11 10:04:13 +0200 | nineonine | (~nineonine@2604:3d08:7783:f200:7199:d608:f167:a45a) |
| 2021-05-11 10:04:25 +0200 | <dminuoso> | %=, %~, etc |
| 2021-05-11 10:05:36 +0200 | kritzefitz | (~kritzefit@p200300ecdf3c5b009ca7d9f9eb7bbe17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2021-05-11 10:06:21 +0200 | <makalu> | Thank you. |
| 2021-05-11 10:06:57 +0200 | hackage | yesod-core 1.6.20 - Creation of type-safe, RESTful web applications. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/yesod-core-1.6.20 (MichaelSnoyman) |
| 2021-05-11 10:08:00 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 10:08:33 +0200 | <ski> | @type (undefined :: IO (Int,Bool)) <&> (^. _1) |
| 2021-05-11 10:08:34 +0200 | <lambdabot> | IO Int |
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| 2021-05-11 10:11:10 +0200 | kritzefitz | (~kritzefit@2003:5b:203b:200::10:49) |
| 2021-05-11 10:11:53 +0200 | <Axman6> | % :T mapped |
| 2021-05-11 10:11:54 +0200 | <yahb> | Axman6: unknown command ':T'; use :? for help. |
| 2021-05-11 10:11:57 +0200 | <Axman6> | % :t mapped |
| 2021-05-11 10:11:57 +0200 | <yahb> | Axman6: (Settable f1, Functor f2) => (a -> f1 b) -> f2 a -> f1 (f2 b) |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:09 +0200 | <Axman6> | :t mapped . _1 |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:11 +0200 | <lambdabot> | (Settable f1, Field1 a1 b1 a2 b2, Functor f2) => (a2 -> f1 b2) -> f2 a1 -> f1 (f2 b1) |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:31 +0200 | <Axman6> | :t (undefined :: IO (Int, Book)) ^. mapped . _1 |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:32 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:32 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Book’ |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:32 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Perhaps you meant ‘Bool’ (imported from Data.Bool) |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:38 +0200 | hendursa1 | (~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hendursaga) |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:40 +0200 | <Axman6> | :t (undefined :: IO (Int, Bool)) ^. mapped . _1 |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:41 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:41 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • No instance for (Settable (Const Int)) |
| 2021-05-11 10:12:41 +0200 | <lambdabot> | arising from a use of ‘mapped’ |
| 2021-05-11 10:13:04 +0200 | <Axman6> | uh, no, of course that won't work |
| 2021-05-11 10:14:40 +0200 | <makalu> | Thanks for trying though :D. I went with ski's variant. |
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| 2021-05-11 10:22:57 +0200 | hackage | css-easings 0.2.1.0 - Defining and manipulating css easing strings. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/css-easings-0.2.1.0 (wvanonsem90) |
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| 2021-05-11 10:47:20 +0200 | <kuribas> | is it possible to make a quick script without having a .cabal file? |
| 2021-05-11 10:47:27 +0200 | <merijn> | Yes |
| 2021-05-11 10:47:36 +0200 | Pickchea | (~private@unaffiliated/pickchea) |
| 2021-05-11 10:47:37 +0200 | <merijn> | cabal has a shebang mode |
| 2021-05-11 10:47:44 +0200 | <merijn> | but its docs are...sparse? :p |
| 2021-05-11 10:47:56 +0200 | esph | (~weechat@unaffiliated/esph) |
| 2021-05-11 10:48:10 +0200 | <kuribas> | you pass packages on the shebang? |
| 2021-05-11 10:48:44 +0200 | <merijn> | No, it supports having build-depends and some other fields in a comment in shebang mode |
| 2021-05-11 10:49:12 +0200 | <kuribas> | ah neat |
| 2021-05-11 10:49:33 +0200 | Anthaas | (~Anthaas@unaffiliated/anthaas) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 10:49:38 +0200 | <merijn> | You'll have to do some research to find any docs, though |
| 2021-05-11 10:50:28 +0200 | gehmehgeh | (~ircuser1@gateway/tor-sasl/gehmehgeh) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 10:50:47 +0200 | <merijn> | kuribas: minimal barely documented example: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cabal-commands.html#cabal-v2-run |
| 2021-05-11 10:51:13 +0200 | bennofs__ | (~quassel@dynamic-077-013-025-172.77.13.pool.telefonica.de) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
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| 2021-05-11 10:52:20 +0200 | <kuribas> | maybe that's enough... |
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| 2021-05-11 10:57:24 +0200 | Anthaas | (~Anthaas@unaffiliated/anthaas) |
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| 2021-05-11 11:09:35 +0200 | koz | koz_ |
| 2021-05-11 11:09:53 +0200 | <fendor> | kuribas, fyi, you can write anything in this section that is valid in the executable section |
| 2021-05-11 11:12:18 +0200 | raehik | (~raehik@cpc95906-rdng25-2-0-cust156.15-3.cable.virginm.net) |
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| 2021-05-11 11:18:47 +0200 | <dminuoso> | Using cabal2nix, what's the correct protocol to set the GHC optimization level? |
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| 2021-05-11 11:30:27 +0200 | hackage | Z-Botan 0.1.1.0 - Crypto for Haskell https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Z-Botan-0.1.1.0 (winterland) |
| 2021-05-11 11:36:57 +0200 | justan0theruser | (~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser) |
| 2021-05-11 11:37:57 +0200 | hackage | amqp-utils 0.6.1.1 - AMQP toolset for the command line https://hackage.haskell.org/package/amqp-utils-0.6.1.1 (woffs) |
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| 2021-05-11 11:57:36 +0200 | <mateusz> | hi all! I'm looking for someone to help me with Code Review and next steps in my educational project. Project is simple ncurses Trello client. I have with requests handling, json parsing and initial ncurses view. Looking for someone who can share and advice and be thorough in CR :) I'll will be happy to send link to Pull Request. |
| 2021-05-11 11:58:24 +0200 | <[exa]> | are you using Brick for the curses? |
| 2021-05-11 11:59:16 +0200 | <mateusz> | I use NCurses https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ncurses |
| 2021-05-11 11:59:57 +0200 | <[exa]> | ok, well, check out Brick, it's really cool for these things. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/brick |
| 2021-05-11 12:00:18 +0200 | <[exa]> | the docs also have some advice on how to interface with other sources of events (network in your case) |
| 2021-05-11 12:01:18 +0200 | <mateusz> | thanks for an advice, I already prepared something (~250 loc) with NCurses, so I could migrate in future. Ill check brick as well |
| 2021-05-11 12:01:27 +0200 | hackage | css-selectors 0.4.0.2 - Parsing, rendering and manipulating css selectors in Haskell. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/css-selectors-0.4.0.2 (wvanonsem90) |
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| 2021-05-11 12:01:55 +0200 | fendor | (~fendor@178.165.129.215.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 2021-05-11 12:02:36 +0200 | <[exa]> | well, YMMV. I'd go with brick for sure, plain ncurses is quite painful, I'd avoid it anytime I didn't need to access ncurses-only stuff :D |
| 2021-05-11 12:03:41 +0200 | vicfred | (~vicfred@unaffiliated/vicfred) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-05-11 12:03:54 +0200 | <[exa]> | feels a bit React-ish, you write event handler and a display function, and done. |
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| 2021-05-11 12:06:41 +0200 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 12:07:37 +0200 | <Axman6> | yeah can't recommend brick enough for this sort oftask |
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| 2021-05-11 12:20:57 +0200 | hackage | twain 1.0.0.0 - Tiny web application framework for WAI. https://hackage.haskell.org/package/twain-1.0.0.0 (alexmingoia) |
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| 2021-05-11 12:21:57 +0200 | hackage | Z-Botan 0.1.1.1 - Crypto for Haskell https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Z-Botan-0.1.1.1 (winterland) |
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| 2021-05-11 13:23:24 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | https://paste.tomsmeding.com/m625nssK why didn't UnicodeSyntax work? |
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| 2021-05-11 13:32:26 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Gurkenglas: because that's not what UnicodeSyntax does https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/unicode_syntax.html |
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| 2021-05-11 13:32:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | perhaps unfortunately, but that's an opinion :p |
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| 2021-05-11 13:32:51 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | Ah. Is there a way to use turnstiles? |
| 2021-05-11 13:33:58 +0200 | drbean_ | (~drbean@TC210-63-209-98.static.apol.com.tw) |
| 2021-05-11 13:34:16 +0200 | <hpc> | according to Data.Char, '⊢' is a lower-case symbol |
| 2021-05-11 13:34:40 +0200 | <hpc> | so it's in the same category as '+' and '*' and such |
| 2021-05-11 13:34:42 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | Oh, .hs supports unicode already? I see |
| 2021-05-11 13:34:59 +0200 | cheater | (~user@unaffiliated/cheater) |
| 2021-05-11 13:35:37 +0200 | <hpc> | Prelude> :set -XTypeOperators |
| 2021-05-11 13:35:38 +0200 | <hpc> | Prelude> data (⊢) a = Example |
| 2021-05-11 13:35:40 +0200 | <hpc> | ^ works |
| 2021-05-11 13:35:56 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | Thanks! |
| 2021-05-11 13:37:41 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | ...now I'd have to put brackets around every use anywhere of it? :( |
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| 2021-05-11 13:38:44 +0200 | <hpc> | yeah |
| 2021-05-11 13:38:44 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | Gurkenglas: haskell doesn't have prefix operators at all. The only prefix operator is negation, which is heavily special-cased in the grammar |
| 2021-05-11 13:39:06 +0200 | <Uniaika> | +1 |
| 2021-05-11 13:39:15 +0200 | <hpc> | or find another codepoint that's not a symbol, or something like that |
| 2021-05-11 13:39:31 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | (okay not so sure about "heavily", I haven't looked at ghc's parser to see if it warrants that word :p ) |
| 2021-05-11 13:39:44 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | How should I find one? Check all the unicode symbols for isUpper? |
| 2021-05-11 13:40:18 +0200 | sedeki | (~textual@unaffiliated/sedeki) (Client Quit) |
| 2021-05-11 13:40:33 +0200 | <hpc> | isAlpha, or maybe isLetter |
| 2021-05-11 13:40:49 +0200 | <Uniaika> | tomsmeding: "bolted in the lexer" leaves less space for nuance |
| 2021-05-11 13:40:54 +0200 | <hpc> | isUpper isn't necessary because of TypeOperators |
| 2021-05-11 13:41:26 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | hpc, but I still need to put () around it every time, yes? |
| 2021-05-11 13:42:34 +0200 | <hpc> | you put parens around infix operators to make them prefix |
| 2021-05-11 13:42:41 +0200 | <hpc> | infix operators are made up of symbolic characters |
| 2021-05-11 13:42:48 +0200 | <hpc> | prefix names are made up of letters |
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| 2021-05-11 13:43:23 +0200 | <hpc> | so no, if you find a suitable character that's isLetter, you can just use it... oh hmm, except it will need to be isUpper too |
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| 2021-05-11 13:43:31 +0200 | <hpc> | ignore where i said it isn't necessary because of TypeOperators :P |
| 2021-05-11 13:43:52 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I assume it has to be category 'Lu' here? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:General_Category_(Unicode) |
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| 2021-05-11 13:45:09 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | oh Lt is also allowed; isUpper checks Lu || Lt |
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| 2021-05-11 14:18:20 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | Is Quick Look impredicativity usable these days? |
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| 2021-05-11 14:19:06 +0200 | <wz1000> | Gurkenglas: if you use a 9.2 prerelease |
| 2021-05-11 14:20:52 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | Can I make stack do that or do I have to build ghc from source? |
| 2021-05-11 14:21:36 +0200 | <Gurkenglas> | (huh, or download from downloads.haskell.org) |
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| 2021-05-11 14:26:44 +0200 | <maerwald> | Gurkenglas: ghcup has the 9.2 prerelease |
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| 2021-05-11 14:36:09 +0200 | msgctl | m5g |
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| 2021-05-11 14:36:47 +0200 | <maerwald> | also: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/blob/master/doc/yaml_configuration.md#building-ghc-from… |
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| 2021-05-11 14:57:27 +0200 | hackage | yesod-auth-oauth2 0.6.3.1 - OAuth 2.0 authentication plugins https://hackage.haskell.org/package/yesod-auth-oauth2-0.6.3.1 (PatrickBrisbin) |
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| 2021-05-11 15:21:31 +0200 | sphi | (~sphi@unaffiliated/sphi) |
| 2021-05-11 15:21:41 +0200 | <sphi> | hi all |
| 2021-05-11 15:21:49 +0200 | <shapr> | hi sphi, how you doin? |
| 2021-05-11 15:22:07 +0200 | <shapr> | writing any exciting code? |
| 2021-05-11 15:22:19 +0200 | <sphi> | heh, pretty alright shapr: , how are you yourself |
| 2021-05-11 15:22:31 +0200 | <sphi> | shapr: hello worlds in servant : P |
| 2021-05-11 15:22:34 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@unaffiliated/gentauro) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-05-11 15:22:49 +0200 | <shapr> | I'm doing well, writing up some slides for a haskell-adjacent talk I'm giving today. |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:02 +0200 | <shapr> | it's a ten minute talk, not so much content |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:03 +0200 | ddellacosta | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:13 +0200 | minoru_shiraeesh | (~shiraeesh@109.166.58.80) |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:18 +0200 | <shapr> | sphi: I like servant! I get to use that at work! |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:43 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@unaffiliated/gentauro) |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:52 +0200 | xff0x | (xff0x@gateway/vpn/mullvad/xff0x) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 15:23:56 +0200 | <sphi> | shapr: must be nice :D |
| 2021-05-11 15:24:03 +0200 | nbloomf | (~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:692a:95b:a9cd:2f9) |
| 2021-05-11 15:24:28 +0200 | <shapr> | Yeah, I like writing Haskell for a job. Haskell isn't a perfect language, but I like it best of all the languages I've tried. |
| 2021-05-11 15:24:44 +0200 | <sphi> | i read a tweet the other day |
| 2021-05-11 15:25:15 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@unaffiliated/gentauro) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-05-11 15:25:18 +0200 | <sphi> | "lisp doesn't really have a philosophy, we're just united by a shared disgust for the alternatives" |
| 2021-05-11 15:25:22 +0200 | <shapr> | heh |
| 2021-05-11 15:25:33 +0200 | <sphi> | rang pretty close lol |
| 2021-05-11 15:26:07 +0200 | xff0x | (~xff0x@2001:1a81:53fb:1000:2c1d:2721:9e36:7aea) |
| 2021-05-11 15:26:13 +0200 | nbloomf | (~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:692a:95b:a9cd:2f9) (Client Quit) |
| 2021-05-11 15:26:38 +0200 | <sphi> | i was going through the tutorial on the servant docs, i keep encountering this ' symbol at the type level |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:04 +0200 | <sphi> | ype level |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:04 +0200 | <sphi> | > data Verb method (statusCode :: Nat) (contentType :: [*]) a |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:04 +0200 | <sphi> | type Get = Verb 'GET 200 |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:06 +0200 | <lambdabot> | <hint>:1:1: error: <hint>:1:1: error: parse error on input ‘data’ |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:10 +0200 | <sphi> | like so. |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:38 +0200 | <sphi> | what's up with 'GET ? |
| 2021-05-11 15:27:49 +0200 | <Taneb> | sphi: that means it's a value at the type level, rather than a type called GET |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:08 +0200 | <Taneb> | It's sometimes necessary so you don't get confused when you're doing lots of type-level stuff |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:11 +0200 | <merijn> | Disagree, tbh |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:21 +0200 | <sphi> | Taneb: like 1 2 3 instead of say, Int ? |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:25 +0200 | ddellacosta | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:31 +0200 | <merijn> | It *is* a type called GET, it's just not a type of kind * |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:47 +0200 | gentauro | (~gentauro@unaffiliated/gentauro) |
| 2021-05-11 15:28:57 +0200 | ddellaco_ | (~ddellacos@ool-44c73afa.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:05 +0200 | <sphi> | ```type Delete = Verb 'DELETE 200 |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:05 +0200 | <sphi> | type Patch = Verb 'PATCH 200 |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:05 +0200 | <sphi> | type Post = Verb 'POST 200 |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:05 +0200 | <sphi> | type Put = Verb 'PUT 200 |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:07 +0200 | <sphi> | ``` |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:09 +0200 | <merijn> | sphi: There is an extension called DataKinds, which lets you turn "values" into "types |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:11 +0200 | <Taneb> | sphi: like the GET in data StdMethod = GET | ... rather than some data GET |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:22 +0200 | <merijn> | sphi: THis, however, presents a problem |
| 2021-05-11 15:29:49 +0200 | <sphi> | yea, it's kind of confusing |
| 2021-05-11 15:30:14 +0200 | <merijn> | sphi: Consider "data Foo = Foo", now how can I refer to the 2nd Foo (i.e. the data constructor) at the type level when using DataKinds, since "Foo" would just refer to to the *type*, not the new "value turned into a type" |
| 2021-05-11 15:30:46 +0200 | <merijn> | sphi: The ' syntax disambiguates this 'Foo says "I mean the value-turned-into-type Foo, not the type" |
| 2021-05-11 15:31:41 +0200 | <sphi> | merijn: ah, i see. |
| 2021-05-11 15:32:19 +0200 | <sphi> | follow up noob question. why would i want to refer to "value turned into a type" at type level ? |
| 2021-05-11 15:32:30 +0200 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) |
| 2021-05-11 15:33:15 +0200 | <sphi> | OT, good luch with the talk, shapr: : D |
| 2021-05-11 15:33:21 +0200 | <sphi> | luck* |
| 2021-05-11 15:33:28 +0200 | <shapr> | yeah, I just gotta finish up with some links ... hmm |
| 2021-05-11 15:33:39 +0200 | <Taneb> | sphi: servant uses that technique a lot for describing the API in the type level. |
| 2021-05-11 15:33:40 +0200 | <shapr> | I need to do another test run beforehand |
| 2021-05-11 15:34:20 +0200 | nineonine | (~nineonine@2604:3d08:777e:900:e4fe:87c8:c43b:fc90) |
| 2021-05-11 15:34:33 +0200 | <Taneb> | The idea is we want to parametrize the verb with what HTTP method it uses, and because we're doing this in types, it needs to be a type. However, it doesn't make sense to put anything like Int or Maybe in there, so we want a smaller kind |
| 2021-05-11 15:34:37 +0200 | Sheilong | (uid293653@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wydsfqjrhoioptxh) |
| 2021-05-11 15:35:00 +0200 | <Taneb> | We make a type for the possible HTTP methods, then lift that type to the kind level and hence its values to the type level |
| 2021-05-11 15:35:50 +0200 | <sphi> | Taneb: the docs are making more sense now. |
| 2021-05-11 15:36:00 +0200 | <sphi> | Thanks! |
| 2021-05-11 15:36:18 +0200 | <sphi> | ^ merijn: shapr Taneb : |
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| 2021-05-11 15:46:46 +0200 | johncylee | (~johncylee@185.163.110.100) |
| 2021-05-11 15:47:57 +0200 | <jame_227> | Hi, I had a quick question about how lazy evaluation works. say the generator [ doSomething x | x <- xs]. when this generator is called with say the argument !! 0, to return the first value from this function would it only evaluate the first x from xs? |
| 2021-05-11 15:48:24 +0200 | jpds | (~jpds@gateway/tor-sasl/jpds) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 15:48:26 +0200 | <opqdonut> | short answer: yes |
| 2021-05-11 15:48:50 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | assuming that's the only thing you do with that generator |
| 2021-05-11 15:48:56 +0200 | <opqdonut> | long answer: you can find out by hand-evaluating the expression `head (map doSomething xs)` |
| 2021-05-11 15:49:44 +0200 | <opqdonut> | I've just written a chapter for my course about this https://haskell.mooc.fi/part2#how-does-haskell-work |
| 2021-05-11 15:49:51 +0200 | <opqdonut> | 10.4.1 has some evaluation examples |
| 2021-05-11 15:50:28 +0200 | <jame_227> | Thank you for that, I will take a read :) |
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| 2021-05-11 16:47:57 +0200 | hackage | bisc 0.3.0.0 - A small tool that clears cookies (and more). https://hackage.haskell.org/package/bisc-0.3.0.0 (rnhmjoj) |
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| 2021-05-11 16:49:55 +0200 | <raehik> | I have to keep recompiling a project that takes a few minutes to do so. I figure a quick solution would be to make a Cabal flag that skips some modules and the code that uses them. But I can't find any info on how to use flags in code. Do I need to also use CPP? |
| 2021-05-11 16:50:11 +0200 | <geekosaur> | yes |
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| 2021-05-11 16:52:27 +0200 | <wz1000> | raehik: you need to add something like `if flag(my-flag) cpp-options: -DMY_FLAG` to your cabal file and then use `#ifdef MY_FLAG` and so on |
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| 2021-05-11 16:52:36 +0200 | <geekosaur> | and you still can't use them directly... that |
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| 2021-05-11 16:53:29 +0200 | <raehik> | wz1000: so you do have to, dang. It'd save me some tedium, but maybe too much effort given I'd have to keep applying and removing the patch to make commits |
| 2021-05-11 16:53:56 +0200 | <raehik> | Thanks! |
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| 2021-05-11 17:22:32 +0200 | <dminuoso> | raehik: Also, you can set -O0, that can speed up compilation by quite a lot. |
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| 2021-05-11 17:22:48 +0200 | <dminuoso> | In addition, if you want to recompile just for type checking, you can disable code generation, speeding it up even further |
| 2021-05-11 17:23:37 +0200 | <raehik> | dminuoso: Thanks. I like to jump into ghci regularly but there's 5 variant Alex parsers that build themselves and it takes Too Long |
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| 2021-05-11 17:24:14 +0200 | <raehik> | I know to :r, but occasionally I can't (in this case I was building the test suite) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:26:19 +0200 | <catern> | an offhand comment in an unrelated paper just pointed out that, by curry-howard, typeclass resolution is proof search, which blew my mind |
| 2021-05-11 17:26:34 +0200 | <catern> | anyone know any papers on this? |
| 2021-05-11 17:28:57 +0200 | carlomagno | (~cararell@148.87.23.13) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:31:57 +0200 | ADG1089 | (~aditya@27.58.160.217) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:33:59 +0200 | <c_wraith> | It's a very limited form of proof search. |
| 2021-05-11 17:34:05 +0200 | <c_wraith> | It doesn't do any backtracking |
| 2021-05-11 17:34:12 +0200 | a6a45081-2b83-4b | (~aditya@27.58.160.217) |
| 2021-05-11 17:34:27 +0200 | hackage | Z-Botan 0.1.1.2 - Crypto for Haskell https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Z-Botan-0.1.1.2 (winterland) |
| 2021-05-11 17:35:04 +0200 | noctux | (~noctux@unaffiliated/noctux) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:37:22 +0200 | <a6a45081-2b83-4b> | hi guys |
| 2021-05-11 17:37:23 +0200 | oxide | (~lambda@unaffiliated/mclaren) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:37:57 +0200 | hackage | hspec-discover 2.8.0 - Automatically discover and run Hspec tests https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hspec-discover-2.8.0 (SimonHengel) |
| 2021-05-11 17:38:03 +0200 | CrazyPython | (~crazypyth@98.122.164.118) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:38:27 +0200 | <a6a45081-2b83> | wasup |
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| 2021-05-11 17:40:55 +0200 | <catern> | c_wraith: sure, but it has some power in other ways, like with functional dependencies |
| 2021-05-11 17:41:10 +0200 | obfusk | (~quassel@a82-161-150-56.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 17:41:46 +0200 | <catern> | .oO(since typeclasses can be implemented with implicit parameters, and implicit parameters are just dynamically scoped variables, does this mean dynamic scope is a form of proof search?) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:42:16 +0200 | Kaiepi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-05-11 17:44:02 +0200 | <monochrom> | IIRC type classes are not full-fledged dynamic scoping either. |
| 2021-05-11 17:44:27 +0200 | <monochrom> | Or equivalently, implicit parameters are not full-fledged dynamic scoping. |
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| 2021-05-11 17:45:18 +0200 | <monochrom> | Some Oleg article shows what's missing, but I forgot the URL. |
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| 2021-05-11 17:45:25 +0200 | <catern> | http://okmij.org/ftp/Computation/dynamic-binding.html#implicit-parameter-neq-dynvar |
| 2021-05-11 17:45:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yeah, that :) |
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| 2021-05-11 17:50:26 +0200 | <catern> | funnily enough it was an Oleg paper that made this offhand "typeclass resolution is proof search" comment |
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| 2021-05-11 20:15:18 +0200 | <aramend> | I'm trying to build a cabal project that uses gloss in build depends. To manage dependencies I'm doing all of this inside a flake.nix that calls cabal2nix. I'd like to add a flag for building the gloss dependency, +glfw, since I'm unable to build using the default glut choice. I can't find a way effect this at all, never mind inside my project setup. Any suggestions? |
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| 2021-05-11 20:26:11 +0200 | <xe4> | how to use sortWith? |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:23 +0200 | <Rembane> | :t sortWith |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Variable not in scope: sortWith |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:25 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Perhaps you meant ‘NE.sortWith’ (imported from Data.List.NonEmpty) |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:42 +0200 | <nolrai> | Odd. |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:44 +0200 | notzmv | (~zmv@unaffiliated/zmv) |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:51 +0200 | <nolrai> | :t NE.sortWith |
| 2021-05-11 20:26:52 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Ord o => (a -> o) -> NonEmpty a -> NonEmpty a |
| 2021-05-11 20:27:43 +0200 | Khisanth | (~Khisanth@255.sub-174-197-131.myvzw.com) |
| 2021-05-11 20:28:33 +0200 | <Rembane> | xe4: Are you thinking about the NonEmpty sortWith? |
| 2021-05-11 20:28:39 +0200 | <xe4> | yes |
| 2021-05-11 20:30:27 +0200 | <nolrai> | > NE.sortWith (reverse . snd) [(1,"bob"), (2,"alice"), (3, "aardvark"), (4, "za"), (5, "az")] |
| 2021-05-11 20:30:29 +0200 | <lambdabot> | error: |
| 2021-05-11 20:30:29 +0200 | <lambdabot> | • Couldn't match expected type ‘NonEmpty (a, [a1])’ |
| 2021-05-11 20:30:29 +0200 | <lambdabot> | with actual type ‘[(a0, [Char])]’ |
| 2021-05-11 20:31:02 +0200 | kuribas | (~user@ptr-25vy0i9ywxfym2so1gs.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 26.3)) |
| 2021-05-11 20:31:11 +0200 | <xe4> | biggest = head ((sortWith (compare `on` fst))) |
| 2021-05-11 20:31:25 +0200 | <Rembane> | NE.sortWith id $ NE.fromList [4,3,2,1] |
| 2021-05-11 20:31:27 +0200 | <Rembane> | > NE.sortWith id $ NE.fromList [4,3,2,1] |
| 2021-05-11 20:31:29 +0200 | <lambdabot> | 1 :| [2,3,4] |
| 2021-05-11 20:32:30 +0200 | <monochrom> | sortWith's type suggests it doesn't want a comparator, it wants to map your element type to an orderable type. |
| 2021-05-11 20:32:39 +0200 | <nolrai> | NE.sortWith doesn't use compare, it already is applying "compare `on`" internally. |
| 2021-05-11 20:32:45 +0200 | kritzefitz | (~kritzefit@212.86.56.80) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 20:33:07 +0200 | <monochrom> | The simplest case is "sortWith id" when my elements are already the orderable type I want. |
| 2021-05-11 20:34:22 +0200 | <nolrai> | > NE.sortWith (reverse . snd) ((1,"bob") :| [(2,"alice"), (3, "aardvark"), (4, "za"), (5, "az")]) |
| 2021-05-11 20:34:24 +0200 | <lambdabot> | (4,"za") :| [(1,"bob"),(2,"alice"),(3,"aardvark"),(5,"az")] |
| 2021-05-11 20:35:02 +0200 | <nolrai> | Err.. I shouldn't have used bob alice aardvark. >.< |
| 2021-05-11 20:36:36 +0200 | CuPenguin | (~CuPenguin@207.38.239.235) |
| 2021-05-11 20:36:44 +0200 | <nolrai> | > NE.sortWith (reverse . snd) ((1,"aaa") :| [(2,"ba"), (3, "bz"), (4, "za"), (5, "az")]) |
| 2021-05-11 20:36:46 +0200 | <lambdabot> | (1,"aaa") :| [(2,"ba"),(4,"za"),(5,"az"),(3,"bz")] |
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| 2021-05-11 20:41:47 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | :t sortOn |
| 2021-05-11 20:41:48 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Ord b => (a -> b) -> [a] -> [a] |
| 2021-05-11 20:41:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | analogous function on normal lists |
| 2021-05-11 20:42:32 +0200 | bitmagie | (~Thunderbi@200116b806b92e00b8b7218edf9a11f7.dip.versatel-1u1.de) |
| 2021-05-11 20:42:37 +0200 | <nolrai> | Should probably be changed to be consistent, but it would be a breaking change. |
| 2021-05-11 20:42:49 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | though sortOn has a slight runtime performance difference: it computes the projected 'b' values _once_, remembers them, and then sorts using that cache |
| 2021-05-11 20:43:10 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | whereas sortWith, and Data.List.sortBy, recompute the mapping/comparison function for each comparison to be made |
| 2021-05-11 20:43:36 +0200 | <nolrai> | Hmm. That could make a big difference in some cases. |
| 2021-05-11 20:44:01 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | if your projection function is cheap, 'sortBy (comparing f)' may be significantly better than 'sortOn f' :) |
| 2021-05-11 20:44:22 +0200 | nolrai | (4c1bcada@c-76-27-202-218.hsd1.or.comcast.net) (Quit: Connection closed) |
| 2021-05-11 20:44:35 +0200 | nf | (~n@monade.li) (Quit: Fairfarren.) |
| 2021-05-11 20:44:56 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I was really happy when I first discovered sortOn, then slightly confused and subsequently a bit disappointed upon learning this implementation difference :p |
| 2021-05-11 20:45:01 +0200 | notzmv | (~zmv@unaffiliated/zmv) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 20:45:13 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | I seldomly sort with an expensive projection function, but maybe that's me |
| 2021-05-11 20:45:34 +0200 | nf | (~n@monade.li) |
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| 2021-05-11 20:46:34 +0200 | <monochrom> | sortBy (comparing (\n -> ack n n)) |
| 2021-05-11 20:46:52 +0200 | <xe4> | can I get assistance with this basic quickcheck function? |
| 2021-05-11 20:46:57 +0200 | <xe4> | https://gist.github.com/xe-4/ba47bc1ae4ff747e5bcef6eeb88888bb |
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| 2021-05-11 20:49:37 +0200 | <lyxia> | xe4: add an Arbitrary instance for NonEmpty |
| 2021-05-11 20:49:47 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | xe4: instance Arbitrary a => Arbitrary (NE.NonEmpty a) where arbitrary = (:|) <$> arbitrary <*> arbitrary |
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| 2021-05-11 21:12:15 +0200 | <thblt> | I'm reading /Thinking in Types/, and I'm learning a lot of *very* cool things, but it's kinda funny that the more advanced the book gets, the more it focuses on defeating what's usually marketed as the best features of Haskell. |
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| 2021-05-11 21:13:01 +0200 | oxide | (~lambda@unaffiliated/mclaren) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 21:13:16 +0200 | <thblt> | “See, with this very advanced features you can have purely dynamic types that make your program explode at runtime if you make a single mistake.” |
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| 2021-05-11 21:22:45 +0200 | <ski> | @type GHC.Exts.sortWith |
| 2021-05-11 21:22:46 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Ord b => (a -> b) -> [a] -> [a] |
| 2021-05-11 21:24:00 +0200 | frozenErebus | (~frozenEre@37.231.244.249) |
| 2021-05-11 21:24:37 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah and that uses the sortBy implementation, cool |
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| 2021-05-11 21:31:14 +0200 | <ski> | % :set -XTransformListComp |
| 2021-05-11 21:31:14 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: |
| 2021-05-11 21:31:35 +0200 | <ski> | % [w | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",then GHC.Exts.sortWith by length w] -- iirc, it's in there, because of this |
| 2021-05-11 21:31:35 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: ["The","fox","the","dog","over","lazy","quick","brown","jumps"] |
| 2021-05-11 21:32:54 +0200 | jakalx | (~jakalx@base.jakalx.net) |
| 2021-05-11 21:33:10 +0200 | <ski> | % [w | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",then group by length w using GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 21:33:10 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [["The","fox","the","dog"],["over","lazy"],["quick","brown","jumps"]] |
| 2021-05-11 21:33:26 +0200 | dpl_ | (~dpl@77-121-78-163.chn.volia.net) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 21:33:36 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | ah you're right |
| 2021-05-11 21:33:41 +0200 | <tomsmeding> | does anybody ever use that |
| 2021-05-11 21:38:49 +0200 | <ski> | % [(GHC.Exts.the len,w) | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",let len = length w,then group by len using GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 21:38:49 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [(3,["The","fox","the","dog"]),(4,["over","lazy"]),(5,["quick","brown","jumps"])] |
| 2021-05-11 21:39:01 +0200 | <ski> | not sure it's used that often |
| 2021-05-11 21:40:46 +0200 | <ski> | <https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/exts/generalised_list_comprehensio…> |
| 2021-05-11 21:41:10 +0200 | safinaskar | (~user@109-252-90-136.nat.spd-mgts.ru) |
| 2021-05-11 21:41:14 +0200 | <xerox_> | that's beautiful |
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| 2021-05-11 21:44:31 +0200 | Rudd0^ | (~Rudd0@185.189.115.103) |
| 2021-05-11 21:45:44 +0200 | <safinaskar> | is there parser libraries with unbiased choice? i. e. i want <|> to take both brances. And if final parse tree is ambiguous, I want parser library to tell me that. As opposed to Parsec (Parsec uses biased choice, and it will not detect ambiguities.) Package "Earley" uses unbiased choice and it detect ambiguities, but it has another problem: I want check for semantic errors (i. e. "undeclared |
| 2021-05-11 21:45:50 +0200 | <safinaskar> | identifier" or "type mismatch") as a side effect of parsing. So, I need either function "get current position" (so I can check semantic error and save current position for error reporting) or function "fail with semantic error", which should save position and report error. "Earley" (as opposed to Parsec) does not have this functions. So, is there other solutions? |
| 2021-05-11 21:46:33 +0200 | Rudd0 | (~Rudd0@185.189.115.108) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
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| 2021-05-11 21:50:24 +0200 | <monochrom> | Text.ParserCombinators.ReadP has an unbiased choice. (It also has a biased choice.) |
| 2021-05-11 21:50:42 +0200 | hololeap | (hololeap@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/hololeap) (Quit: Bye) |
| 2021-05-11 21:51:04 +0200 | <monochrom> | I forgot which one it chose for <|> but you can always use its +++ to be sure. |
| 2021-05-11 21:51:24 +0200 | hexfive | (~hexfive@50.35.83.177) |
| 2021-05-11 21:51:45 +0200 | <ski> | maybe `parsek' ? |
| 2021-05-11 21:52:21 +0200 | <monochrom> | ReadP is really designed and implemented with ambiguities in mind. "It parses all alternatives in parallel, so it never keeps hold of the beginning of the input string, a common source of space leaks with other parsers." |
| 2021-05-11 21:52:36 +0200 | <ski> | seems it has <https://hackage.haskell.org/package/parsek-1.0.4.0/docs/Text-ParserCombinators-Parsek-Position.htm…> |
| 2021-05-11 21:53:57 +0200 | <monochrom> | Ah, ReadP doesn't have getPosition. |
| 2021-05-11 21:54:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | or error reporting, really |
| 2021-05-11 21:55:33 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 21:56:08 +0200 | neiluj | (~jco@91-167-203-101.subs.proxad.net) |
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| 2021-05-11 21:56:09 +0200 | neiluj | (~jco@unaffiliated/neiluj) |
| 2021-05-11 21:56:19 +0200 | <ski> | (the need for `the' with `group by .. using ..' annoys me, but i'm not sure how/if one could do better) |
| 2021-05-11 21:56:57 +0200 | bitmagie | (~Thunderbi@200116b806b92e00b8b7218edf9a11f7.dip.versatel-1u1.de) (Quit: bitmagie) |
| 2021-05-11 21:57:26 +0200 | dpl_ | (~dpl@77-121-78-163.chn.volia.net) |
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| 2021-05-11 21:58:40 +0200 | <monochrom> | "the" is a technicality function that got a wannabe-intuitive name |
| 2021-05-11 21:59:09 +0200 | minoru_shiraeesh | (~shiraeesh@109.166.58.80) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 21:59:34 +0200 | <safinaskar> | ski: ok, i will try |
| 2021-05-11 22:00:22 +0200 | <monochrom> | Overall TransformListComp found a way of covering all desired use cases by going overly general (because the use cases are too different, really), and so we need a few of these technicality bridging functions. |
| 2021-05-11 22:00:51 +0200 | <ski> | it's possible to break what would be considered the obvious usage of `the', if you use a strange grouping function |
| 2021-05-11 22:01:52 +0200 | <ski> | % [(len,w) | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",let len = length w,then group by len using GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 22:01:52 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [([3,3,3,3],["The","fox","the","dog"]),([4,4],["over","lazy"]),([5,5,5],["quick","brown","jumps"])] |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:00 +0200 | <ski> | % [(len,w) | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",let len = length w,then group by len using (transpose .) . GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:00 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [([3,4,5],["The","over","quick"]),([3,4,5],["fox","lazy","brown"]),([3,5],["the","jumps"]),([3],["dog"])] |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:00 +0200 | <monochrom> | https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2018-February/128607.html is what I managed to exploit the generality >:) |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:05 +0200 | <ski> | % [(GHC.Exts.the len,w) | w <- words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog",let len = length w,then group by len using (transpose .) . GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:05 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [(*** Exception: GHC.Exts.the: non-identical elements |
| 2021-05-11 22:02:53 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:05:13 +0200 | petersen | (~petersen@redhat/juhp) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:05:15 +0200 | <ski> | (iow, attempting to automagically apply `the' is probably not a good idea) |
| 2021-05-11 22:06:33 +0200 | <ski> | % [c | c <- "mississippi",then group using chunksOf 3] |
| 2021-05-11 22:06:33 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: ["mis","sis","sip","pi"] |
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| 2021-05-11 22:10:02 +0200 | tempate | (~tempate@unaffiliated/tempate) () |
| 2021-05-11 22:10:44 +0200 | <ski> | % [(GHC.Exts.the c,length c) | c <- "mississippi",then group by c using GHC.Exts.groupWith] |
| 2021-05-11 22:10:44 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [('i',4),('m',1),('p',2),('s',4)] |
| 2021-05-11 22:10:51 +0200 | <ski> | % [(GHC.Exts.the c,length c) | c <- "mississippi",then group by c using groupBy . equating] |
| 2021-05-11 22:10:51 +0200 | <yahb> | ski: [('m',1),('i',1),('s',2),('i',1),('s',2),('i',1),('p',2),('i',1)] |
| 2021-05-11 22:10:53 +0200 | Pickchea | (~private@unaffiliated/pickchea) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-05-11 22:11:07 +0200 | <shapr> | I gave my talk! yay! https://github.com/shapr/graphreductionhardware |
| 2021-05-11 22:11:35 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 22:12:05 +0200 | <Rembane> | \o/ |
| 2021-05-11 22:12:31 +0200 | <ski> | (using `group' directly doesn't work, since that requires `Eq' on the elements, which `then group using ..' and `then group by .. using ..' (as well as `then ..' and `then .. by ..') forbids) |
| 2021-05-11 22:12:42 +0200 | notzmv | (~zmv@unaffiliated/zmv) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:12:52 +0200 | <ski> | shapr : yay ! :) |
| 2021-05-11 22:12:57 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: I love the second slide! |
| 2021-05-11 22:13:13 +0200 | <shapr> | heh, seemed like a good outline |
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| 2021-05-11 22:18:22 +0200 | LKoen | (~LKoen@156.168.9.109.rev.sfr.net) (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”) |
| 2021-05-11 22:18:33 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | shapr: "Even then, all these cores still pretend to be one fast CPU! They have the same view of main memory! More cores means more overhead synchronizing the shared view of memory." |
| 2021-05-11 22:18:43 +0200 | pavonia | (~user@unaffiliated/siracusa) |
| 2021-05-11 22:18:59 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | what memory is it talking about? |
| 2021-05-11 22:18:59 +0200 | Hanma[m] | (hanmamatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cdkqqwjlurvjchsb) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:21:07 +0200 | VarikValefor[m] | (varikvalef@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-tfacxcxzjhwwblul) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:21:10 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | so the idea is to have a lot of small cores, each core having its own memory? |
| 2021-05-11 22:21:20 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:21:39 +0200 | Lurkki[m]1 | (lurkkipriv@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-isyhslhcdxtqiqhe) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:22:36 +0200 | Feuermagier | (~Feuermagi@213.178.26.41) |
| 2021-05-11 22:23:20 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: that sounds good to me, but that has its own problems |
| 2021-05-11 22:23:42 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: another solution is to magically decrease the cycle count to main memory, and remove the caches |
| 2021-05-11 22:24:00 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | main memory is RAM? |
| 2021-05-11 22:24:06 +0200 | shapr | sprinkles unicorn dust |
| 2021-05-11 22:24:09 +0200 | Tario | (~Tario@201.192.165.173) |
| 2021-05-11 22:24:23 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 22:25:13 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: at the momemt, yes... the FPGA designs has on-die RAM that's much faster https://www-users.york.ac.uk/~mt540/graceful-ws/slides/Stewart.pdf |
| 2021-05-11 22:25:34 +0200 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) |
| 2021-05-11 22:26:57 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | how about adding external "graph reduction card" like we add external graphics cards? |
| 2021-05-11 22:27:31 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: I'm gonna be silly here, because tired. Does this parallel graph reduction idea mean that you implement Erlang on hardware? |
| 2021-05-11 22:28:24 +0200 | <shapr> | Rembane: I don't know enough about erlang to be able to answer that |
| 2021-05-11 22:28:59 +0200 | geowiesnot | (~user@87-89-181-157.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 2021-05-11 22:29:17 +0200 | geekosaur | (930099da@rrcs-147-0-153-218.central.biz.rr.com) (Quit: Connection closed) |
| 2021-05-11 22:29:41 +0200 | jamm_ | (~jamm@unaffiliated/jamm) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:29:42 +0200 | geekosaur | (930099da@rrcs-147-0-153-218.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 2021-05-11 22:29:51 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: good question, GPUs might be good at graph reduction? I couldn't find any research about doing graph reduction on GPUs |
| 2021-05-11 22:30:12 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: That's a good answer. What I was intending to ask before Erlang got in there was: how are the cores going to communicate? Message passing? |
| 2021-05-11 22:30:15 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: the graphcore hardware I mentioned near the end might be a graph reduction coprocessor, I haven't dug into that |
| 2021-05-11 22:30:41 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 22:31:37 +0200 | wonko7 | (~wonko7@62.115.229.50) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:32:13 +0200 | <shapr> | Rembane: I don't know enough about that part, I assume there's a program root 'main' and if there's a place where work could be sent off to another core, that work gets marked as "needed by the main node" or maybe explicitly passed to a core? |
| 2021-05-11 22:32:36 +0200 | <shapr> | I haven't read all of the reduceron papers yet |
| 2021-05-11 22:33:43 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | wait, what do those bitcoin farmers do with GPUs? |
| 2021-05-11 22:33:53 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: That sounds good. Spontaneously, DMA and IRQs sounds not too bad. But maybe they are when things become too parallel. |
| 2021-05-11 22:34:23 +0200 | <Rembane> | The Reduceron is such a fantastically cheesy name <3 |
| 2021-05-11 22:34:52 +0200 | <shapr> | I agree, I wish they had a logo |
| 2021-05-11 22:34:56 +0200 | <shapr> | I'd buy the t-shirt |
| 2021-05-11 22:35:16 +0200 | heatsink | (~heatsink@108-201-191-115.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 22:35:32 +0200 | <Rembane> | Me too. And all the swag! |
| 2021-05-11 22:35:33 +0200 | catern- | catern |
| 2021-05-11 22:35:42 +0200 | <Rembane> | Stickers, plushy, everything! |
| 2021-05-11 22:35:49 +0200 | merijn | (~merijn@83-160-49-249.ip.xs4all.nl) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:36:07 +0200 | apache8080 | (~rishi@wsip-70-168-153-252.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 2021-05-11 22:36:16 +0200 | heatsink | (~heatsink@108-201-191-115.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 2021-05-11 22:37:53 +0200 | <shapr> | Rembane: we could make one and ask Runciman |
| 2021-05-11 22:37:57 +0200 | <shapr> | or Naylor |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:01 +0200 | catern | catern- |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:06 +0200 | dominicusin[m] | (dominicusi@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gdindupjdyjnygcd) |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:09 +0200 | Varis | (~Tadas@unaffiliated/varis) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:10 +0200 | cfricke | (~cfricke@unaffiliated/cfricke) (Quit: WeeChat 3.1) |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:13 +0200 | catern- | catern |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:20 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:31 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: That's a very cunning plan! |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:34 +0200 | <shapr> | Rembane: I gave this talk at a "futures of programming" Recurse Center event, and I got several interesting questions |
| 2021-05-11 22:38:47 +0200 | <shapr> | One was "does graph reduction work for non-FP languages?" |
| 2021-05-11 22:39:07 +0200 | JaakkoLuttinen[m | (jluttinema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ysahyblxieeuvzlx) |
| 2021-05-11 22:39:17 +0200 | <shapr> | and one I couldn't find the answer for: can you do graph reduction on a GPU? |
| 2021-05-11 22:39:20 +0200 | mly | (mlydisenco@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rpdrjxcbyachxvja) |
| 2021-05-11 22:40:24 +0200 | acidjnk_new2 | (~acidjnk@p200300d0c72b9509002dc6dbf76c6cb5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 2021-05-11 22:40:41 +0200 | <Taneb> | shapr: Runciman's retired now I believe, sadly |
| 2021-05-11 22:40:57 +0200 | ubert | (~Thunderbi@p200300ecdf005e5ce6b318fffe838f33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:40:59 +0200 | Guest87676 | (~laudiacay@67.176.215.84) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:11 +0200 | <shapr> | oh, didn't know that |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:19 +0200 | jtojnar | (jtojnarmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-csatkhbdsihyljoz) |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:23 +0200 | sm[m] | (simonmicma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ohzxdfhmrklaasyg) |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:31 +0200 | <Rembane> | My hunch is that GPUs are very bad at graph reductions, but I can't say why. |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:48 +0200 | Ericson2314 | (ericson231@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lfojhdlxyjhgujwr) |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:50 +0200 | nut | (~gtk@roc37-h01-176-170-197-243.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) |
| 2021-05-11 22:41:52 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Rembane: because they are hardware specialised in dealing with triangles :-P |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:00 +0200 | CrabMan | (phi-matrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nbtkwhyasulaaowv) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:02 +0200 | <Rembane> | Uniaika: Indeed, and triangles aren't graphs. :) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:15 +0200 | domenkozar[m] | (domenkozar@NixOS/user/domenkozar) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:18 +0200 | heck-to-the-gnom | (heck-to-th@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fidipsyutsvkvjuh) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:23 +0200 | <maerwald> | can you make it a graph? You're an expert, right? |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:28 +0200 | <Rembane> | Maybe immutable data is more important than the paradigm of the language? |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:33 +0200 | <Taneb> | (just remembered I'm connecting to IRC from a server named for Colin Runciman. Feels significant) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:35 +0200 | <maerwald> | also make it perpendicular |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:38 +0200 | Guillaum | (guiboumatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-hddjdnxujganspku) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:49 +0200 | <Uniaika> | heya Taneb and domenkozar[m] :) |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:54 +0200 | <Uniaika> | welcome back Guillaum |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:55 +0200 | <shapr> | Taneb: I met Runciman a few times at various ICFPs, enjoying talking to him |
| 2021-05-11 22:42:58 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:02 +0200 | rednaZ[m] | (r3dnazmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ixpddsckemdoyohz) |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:06 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:10 +0200 | <Taneb> | shapr: he was pretty cool, he supervised my master's thesis |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:13 +0200 | lnxw37d4 | (lnxw37d4ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gjxdbkbobeywhhqj) |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:14 +0200 | <shapr> | oh nice! |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:18 +0200 | shapr | looks up that thesis |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:28 +0200 | <Taneb> | (it was awful for me reasons, don't) |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:36 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Rembane: immutable data, composition, recursion |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:47 +0200 | <shapr> | Taneb: you wrote a thing! I bet it has value! |
| 2021-05-11 22:43:57 +0200 | <shapr> | Taneb: also, if you can look back and wince, you know you've improved! |
| 2021-05-11 22:44:10 +0200 | <Taneb> | I was looking at where I was and wincing at the time |
| 2021-05-11 22:44:18 +0200 | <shapr> | I wrote fermat's last margin and it got me a Haskell job, two years later that code looks so nasty |
| 2021-05-11 22:44:37 +0200 | fgaz | (fgazmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ldjqbjnkddlzxldw) |
| 2021-05-11 22:44:47 +0200 | Kaiepi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) (Remote host closed the connection) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:05 +0200 | beardhatcode | (robbertbea@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cfdagqzyyobujzsa) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:08 +0200 | mjlbach | (atriusmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ckuqwldaelnnpcjm) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:10 +0200 | Kaiepi | (~Kaiepi@47.54.252.148) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:19 +0200 | <Rembane> | Uniaika: Now when you say that, can we turn any program into a program that only consists of immutable data, composition and recursion? |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:25 +0200 | unclechu | (unclechuma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-uykkngjnnorqmldi) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:35 +0200 | jlv | (jlvmatrixo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zyjyjmkduzwviwai) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:40 +0200 | srid | (sridmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qnewniuqanmbhoms) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:41 +0200 | <shapr> | Rembane: what about the SSA transform? |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:49 +0200 | joe[m]4 | (joemonoida@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-qjapyfooxpskbrvm) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:55 +0200 | bitonic | (bitonicmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gzxyabnifphublbd) |
| 2021-05-11 22:45:56 +0200 | lambdaclan | (lambdaclan@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oiuqiomezalbjuiy) |
| 2021-05-11 22:46:03 +0200 | <shapr> | I have the vague impression that SSA is one way to turn an imperative program into a functional-ish program |
| 2021-05-11 22:46:34 +0200 | <shapr> | so I wonder if static single assignment would let you get the same benefits? |
| 2021-05-11 22:46:49 +0200 | alexfmpe | (alexfmpema@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xsmftrlsukuvngtm) |
| 2021-05-11 22:46:55 +0200 | <Rembane> | shapr: Hm... yes! That's a good transform. Are there any of these machines around? I want to do experiments! |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:00 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Rembane: truth be told, I'm more and more into making my programs interpreters for an eDSL |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:04 +0200 | <Uniaika> | so that I can implement https://twitter.com/thingskatedid/status/1386077306381242371 |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:10 +0200 | <Uniaika> | this would be fucking rad |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:12 +0200 | jeffcasavant[m] | (jeffcasava@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yddhjhigtppehlja) |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:42 +0200 | loyon | (loyonmatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-pzuovwsjgvbvvmqy) |
| 2021-05-11 22:47:55 +0200 | michaelpj | (michaelpjm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zqgjpvmridqqtfur) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:10 +0200 | M66bdd7f1f556[m] | (m66bdd7f1f@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xwowgliunifnmlvg) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:11 +0200 | jgt_ | (~jgt@92-247-237-116.spectrumnet.bg) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:15 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@31.220.5.250) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:15 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@31.220.5.250) (Changing host) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:15 +0200 | hyiltiz | (~quassel@unaffiliated/hyiltiz) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:23 +0200 | <Rembane> | Uniaika: That's really nice! Okay, I want to do that too! |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:26 +0200 | adziahel[m] | (adziahelma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-plxoyyxrzqszfvgd) |
| 2021-05-11 22:48:58 +0200 | pqwy[m] | (pqwymatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ewgzealndaxlvyvj) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:24 +0200 | <Rembane> | Uniaika: Have you seen this? https://sqlite.org/lang_select.html |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:32 +0200 | jgt_ | (~jgt@92-247-237-116.spectrumnet.bg) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:40 +0200 | johnnyboy[m] | (gifumatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dscanpgwpdqbkzrq) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:43 +0200 | l-as | (lasmatrixo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-sdabspjdnhualdwj) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:44 +0200 | maerwald[m] | (maerwaldma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zfcnfqgtbaxfthif) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:46 +0200 | Noughtmare[m] | (naughtmare@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ovftnmmomlwhteoa) |
| 2021-05-11 22:49:58 +0200 | <shapr> | How do we make that self-print thing? Is there a Diagrams typeclass we can use to dump everything to SVG? |
| 2021-05-11 22:50:05 +0200 | <shapr> | Uniaika: that's a really cool thing |
| 2021-05-11 22:50:13 +0200 | speakerspivakeem | (speakerdea@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-uixcdaxwngzxhkdm) |
| 2021-05-11 22:50:19 +0200 | asimons04[m] | (asimonsptz@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ukmevzummcsgetgl) |
| 2021-05-11 22:50:58 +0200 | mith[m] | (mithmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zijexjsgymwdouun) |
| 2021-05-11 22:51:11 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | I published an article today! |
| 2021-05-11 22:51:18 +0200 | <shapr> | m_shiraeeshi: cool! where can I read it? |
| 2021-05-11 22:51:50 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | here it is: https://shiraeeshi.github.io/editable-list/article.html |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:06 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | it's about console strings list gui challenge |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:06 +0200 | tomku | (~tomku@unaffiliated/tomku) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:17 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | btw, who wants to participate in the challenge? |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:21 +0200 | toasty_avocado[m | (toastyavoc@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rozmdkpuaepijwmo) |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:21 +0200 | Lurkki[m] | (lurkkifene@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-olwbzjfxhikjnqnf) |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:28 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | Here is a question: which options do we have for designing (an architecture of) an application which shows a list of strings in console gui, allows to edit strings in an edit field that appears next to a list, and shows logs, and which design would you choose? |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:46 +0200 | tomku | (~tomku@unaffiliated/tomku) |
| 2021-05-11 22:52:58 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Rembane: yeah I remember reading that page some time ago |
| 2021-05-11 22:53:20 +0200 | fakubish[m] | (fakubishne@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dxlieumyscgjdtnw) |
| 2021-05-11 22:53:38 +0200 | <Rembane> | Uniaika: Sweet. Having that generated from the structure of the program would be excellent. |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:09 +0200 | <Uniaika> | yup' |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:14 +0200 | <Uniaika> | hmmmm |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:14 +0200 | <Uniaika> | shit |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:18 +0200 | <Uniaika> | I don't have anything to make |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:22 +0200 | <Uniaika> | except deamons |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:30 +0200 | <Uniaika> | but we have EKG for that |
| 2021-05-11 22:54:55 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | Uniaika: "so that I can implement https://twitter.com/thingskatedid/status/1386077306381242371" |
| 2021-05-11 22:55:07 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | the tweet doesn't load for some reason, what does it say? |
| 2021-05-11 22:55:27 +0200 | <Uniaika> | m_shiraeeshi: if you hit "Refresh" enough times it'll appear :-P |
| 2021-05-11 22:55:29 +0200 | Cajun | (62a3d370@ip98-163-211-112.no.no.cox.net) |
| 2021-05-11 22:55:33 +0200 | <Uniaika> | let me get you a screenshot |
| 2021-05-11 22:55:44 +0200 | safinaskar | (~user@109-252-90-136.nat.spd-mgts.ru) () |
| 2021-05-11 22:56:57 +0200 | son0p | (~ff@181.136.122.143) |
| 2021-05-11 22:57:02 +0200 | mith[m] | (mithmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zijexjsgymwdouun) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:57:02 +0200 | mly | (mlydisenco@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rpdrjxcbyachxvja) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 22:57:02 +0200 | <Uniaika> | m_shiraeeshi: https://imgur.com/a/UIvsXLf |
| 2021-05-11 22:57:11 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | Uniaika: ok it loaded |
| 2021-05-11 22:57:20 +0200 | <Uniaika> | cool |
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| 2021-05-11 22:57:57 +0200 | <m_shiraeeshi> | that reminds me of ghc-vis |
| 2021-05-11 22:58:22 +0200 | <Uniaika> | I never heard of that! :O |
| 2021-05-11 22:58:43 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hm, I know I've mentioned it at least once in here |
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| 2021-05-11 23:13:32 +0200 | Ernest | (402ba442@64.43.164.66) |
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| 2021-05-11 23:14:37 +0200 | <Ernest> | Hey, question on a thing that has been bugging: what is ((->) e) |
| 2021-05-11 23:15:16 +0200 | <monochrom> | "X -> Y" is syntax sugar for "(->) X Y". Now do partial application and have just "(->) X". |
| 2021-05-11 23:15:28 +0200 | <monochrom> | Similarly you can have "Either A". |
| 2021-05-11 23:16:36 +0200 | vaibhavsagar | (vaibhavsag@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fjuekmtrdjeshtoh) |
| 2021-05-11 23:16:44 +0200 | <Ernest> | I see, I see, but what is "X -> Y" is it usable in real code? Why does it need a functor instance? |
| 2021-05-11 23:17:13 +0200 | ThaEwat | (thaewraptm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-wbxhiuywsqxchwea) |
| 2021-05-11 23:17:14 +0200 | <monochrom> | All function types go like "X -> Y". |
| 2021-05-11 23:17:31 +0200 | danvet | (~Daniel@2a02:168:57f4:0:efd0:b9e5:5ae6:c2fa) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:17:32 +0200 | pnotequalnp[m] | (pnotequaln@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ptcimncfzlfhmbvu) |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:08 +0200 | <geekosaur> | what do you mean by "need" here? |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:12 +0200 | <geekosaur> | it's useful |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:33 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Ernest: did you study function applications in maths? |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:35 +0200 | <Uniaika> | or just functions? |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:45 +0200 | <Ernest> | Well I mean why is it useful? Where do you use it? Is it hidden away as a primitive in the compiler?: |
| 2021-05-11 23:18:51 +0200 | hegz | (hegzmatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-kmisrxzutlqfewfk) |
| 2021-05-11 23:19:30 +0200 | supersven[m] | (supersvenm@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xrgsrmndhixlalsj) |
| 2021-05-11 23:19:36 +0200 | <Uniaika> | it feels like there is some context missing, partial function application does not necessarily need a Functor instance, Ernest |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:02 +0200 | <carbolymer> | ehlo |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:05 +0200 | <Uniaika> | hey carbolymer |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:06 +0200 | carbolymer | is back with his memory issues |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:13 +0200 | <monochrom> | My policy is I never answer need questions. They are overblown. |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:32 +0200 | <carbolymer> | WHERE IS MY MEMORY!! https://gitlab.com/carbolymer/network-http-client-memory-leak |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:37 +0200 | <monochrom> | And behind them are always the real, hidden question "do I really need to learn it?" and the answer is always "no". |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:44 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
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| 2021-05-11 23:20:53 +0200 | <carbolymer> | damn heap profiler explains only 7% of mem usage |
| 2021-05-11 23:20:53 +0200 | jchia[m] | (jchiamatri@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-cnmbhrrzgpmynneo) |
| 2021-05-11 23:21:08 +0200 | <Ernest> | Sorry, shoud've mentioned I'm following https://wiki.haskell.org/Typeclassopedia . In the excercises for functor it shows to implement it for the (->) e. And my mind is boggled with what even is it and why is it useful to have it, and where is it even used |
| 2021-05-11 23:21:14 +0200 | olle | (~olle@i5E8666E4.versanet.de) |
| 2021-05-11 23:21:37 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : are you asking about `Functor',`Applicative',`Monad' instances for `(rho ->)' ? maybe (`Semigroup' and) `Monoid' instances for `rho -> a' ? or possibly `Num' and `Fractional' instances ? something else ? |
| 2021-05-11 23:21:55 +0200 | EmanuelLoos[m] | (emanuel-lo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-rzapdzrelnedlunu) |
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| 2021-05-11 23:22:12 +0200 | <monochrom> | The Monad instance is sometimes used. But then if it has a Monad instance then it has a Functor instance, even though its fmap is seldom used. |
| 2021-05-11 23:22:30 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : you know how `(T,T)' contains the same information as `Bool -> T' ? |
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| 2021-05-11 23:23:02 +0200 | <monochrom> | However, Typeclassopedia also serves the purpose of learning Monad. As part of the learning process, you must figure out (->)e too, whether you will use it or not. |
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| 2021-05-11 23:24:08 +0200 | <Ernest> | ski Not really |
| 2021-05-11 23:24:40 +0200 | <Uniaika> | carbolymer: what is "inv" ? |
| 2021-05-11 23:24:57 +0200 | <Ernest> | monochrom So is it possible to use (->) in haskell code? Or is that reserved as a primitve for the compiler code? |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:02 +0200 | <carbolymer> | Uniaika: http://www.pyinvoke.org/ |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:09 +0200 | <Uniaika> | ah, I understand your question Ernest |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:13 +0200 | <ski> | > (zipWith (+) <$> tail <*> id) [2,3,5,7] -- using `Functor (rho ->)' and `Applicative (rho ->)' |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:15 +0200 | <lambdabot> | [5,8,12] |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:19 +0200 | <carbolymer> | Uniaika: I tried to like GNU Make, but... I can't :( |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:24 +0200 | <Uniaika> | this is entirely a valid way to declare a typeclass instance over a type, Ernest |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:28 +0200 | <ski> | @type not :: (->) Bool Bool |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:29 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Bool -> Bool |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:33 +0200 | <monochrom> | Yes to both. |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:47 +0200 | <Uniaika> | carbolymer: GNU make is shit, BSD Make forever!! :< |
| 2021-05-11 23:25:54 +0200 | <carbolymer> | potato potato |
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| 2021-05-11 23:27:21 +0200 | <Uniaika> | carbolymer: kartofle ziemniak |
| 2021-05-11 23:27:26 +0200 | <geekosaur> | make is not liked, it is tolerated |
| 2021-05-11 23:27:27 +0200 | <Uniaika> | see, a difference! |
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| 2021-05-11 23:28:11 +0200 | <carbolymer> | Uniaika: tak |
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| 2021-05-11 23:28:30 +0200 | <Uniaika> | :) |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:31 +0200 | sm[m] | (simonmicma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-yjiisspildexrxnx) |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:35 +0200 | <Ernest> | Uniaika I understand that it's a valid way to declare instances over types, but how is a type of (a -> b) constructed and how do you use the fmap instance for it? |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:41 +0200 | theDon | (~td@muedsl-82-207-238-126.citykom.de) |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:45 +0200 | <ski> | > sortBy (comparing length <> compare) (words "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog") -- using `Semigroup a => Semigroup (rho -> a)' |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:46 +0200 | <Ernest> | fmap function* |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:47 +0200 | <lambdabot> | ["The","dog","fox","the","lazy","over","brown","jumps","quick"] |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:51 +0200 | <ski> | @where monoids |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:51 +0200 | <lambdabot> | comment on "Monoids? In my programming language?" by Cale in 2008 (or 2009 ?) at <http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7cf4r/monoids_in_my_programming_language/c06adnx> about a use of ` |
| 2021-05-11 23:28:51 +0200 | <lambdabot> | instance Monoid a => Monoid (rho -> a)' |
| 2021-05-11 23:29:21 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : my example with `<$>' (which is an alias for `fmap') above shows one example of using it |
| 2021-05-11 23:29:50 +0200 | fendor | (~fendor@178.165.129.215.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-05-11 23:29:54 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Ernest: (a -> b) is a function type |
| 2021-05-11 23:30:10 +0200 | <Uniaika> | you construct this type by having a function with the type a -> b |
| 2021-05-11 23:30:13 +0200 | <Uniaika> | input -> output |
| 2021-05-11 23:30:29 +0200 | Chai-T-Rex | (~ChaiTRex@gateway/tor-sasl/chaitrex) |
| 2021-05-11 23:30:35 +0200 | Guest63188 | (~alexander@2a02:587:dc0a:2700:39fb:67a3:1f47:16d) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:05 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Ernest: in the case of fmap :: (a -> b) -> f a -> f b |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:08 +0200 | fendor | (~fendor@178.165.129.215.wireless.dyn.drei.com) |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:20 +0200 | <Uniaika> | it wants a function that operates on the value inside the functor |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:25 +0200 | wroathe | (~wroathe@c-68-54-25-135.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:29 +0200 | <Uniaika> | and you'll get a functor with the transformed value in it |
| 2021-05-11 23:31:57 +0200 | ChaiTRex | (~ChaiTRex@gateway/tor-sasl/chaitrex) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:32:04 +0200 | rj | (~x@gateway/tor-sasl/rj) |
| 2021-05-11 23:32:09 +0200 | justsomeguy | (~justsomeg@unaffiliated/--/x-3805311) |
| 2021-05-11 23:32:14 +0200 | <ski> | in case `f = (rho ->)', you get `fmap :: (a -> b) -> (rho -> a) -> (rho -> b)' (which is `(.)') |
| 2021-05-11 23:32:28 +0200 | <ski> | so, if `g' is a function, then `fmap f g' is the same as `f . g' |
| 2021-05-11 23:32:39 +0200 | tromp | (~tromp@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl) |
| 2021-05-11 23:33:09 +0200 | <ski> | > (not . (> 3)) 10 |
| 2021-05-11 23:33:11 +0200 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2021-05-11 23:33:14 +0200 | <ski> | > fmap not (> 3) 10 |
| 2021-05-11 23:33:16 +0200 | <lambdabot> | False |
| 2021-05-11 23:34:30 +0200 | <Ernest> | Ok this is now much clearer, thank you ski Uniaika monochrom Still need to chew on it a bit but the information is here |
| 2021-05-11 23:35:07 +0200 | <Uniaika> | Ernest: if you can get "Get Haskell Programming" by Will Kurt, I think it will unlock many unknowns |
| 2021-05-11 23:37:06 +0200 | <Ernest> | Hmm I'd say I'm able to program in haskell, but these small nitty gritty things I haven't ironed out yet, I'll have it as a reference thanks |
| 2021-05-11 23:37:30 +0200 | <ski> | @let instance Num a => Num (rho -> a) where (f + g) r = f r + g r; (f - g) r = f r - g r; (f * g) r = f r * g r; negate f r = negate (f r); abs f r = abs (f r); signum f r = signum (f r); fromInteger n r = fromInteger n |
| 2021-05-11 23:37:31 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Defined. |
| 2021-05-11 23:37:45 +0200 | <monochrom> | I'm a bit in disbelief when you act like you have never seen "X -> Y" to be honest. |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:17 +0200 | <ski> | @let instance Fractional a => Fractional (rho -> a) where (f / g) r = f r / g r; recip f r = recip (f r); fromRational q r = fromRational q |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:18 +0200 | dpl__ | (~dpl@77-121-78-163.chn.volia.net) |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:19 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Defined. |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:20 +0200 | <geekosaur> | hasn't recognized it as something that can be used this way, perhaps |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:42 +0200 | <Ernest> | I definitely understand what that is when I see it in the types and im writing the type signatures, but I always thought it was just a very barebones primitive that isn't accesable to the programmer |
| 2021-05-11 23:38:42 +0200 | mounty | (~mounty@236.216.214.218.sta.wbroadband.net.au) |
| 2021-05-11 23:39:15 +0200 | <ski> | > map (id^2 + id + 1) [-3 .. 3] -- polynomial evaulation |
| 2021-05-11 23:39:17 +0200 | <lambdabot> | [7,3,1,1,3,7,13] |
| 2021-05-11 23:39:55 +0200 | asimons04[m] | (asimonsptz@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vwzhyungsgponujs) |
| 2021-05-11 23:39:58 +0200 | mjlbach | (atriusmatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-lfekbmgcuardpmmm) |
| 2021-05-11 23:40:09 +0200 | <ski> | > map (cos^2 + sin^2) [-pi,-pi/2,0,pi/2,pi] |
| 2021-05-11 23:40:11 +0200 | <lambdabot> | [1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0] |
| 2021-05-11 23:40:21 +0200 | <Ernest> | Creating a functor instance for the (->) type was just unthinkable cause it didnt' even seem like a data type |
| 2021-05-11 23:40:48 +0200 | <monochrom> | If you delete "data" there, everything makes sense. |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:12 +0200 | <Cajun> | im trying to build parconc-examples for the Parallel and Concurrent Programming in Haskell textbook, but it just will not ever build with stack (but it builds just fine with cabal alone). im deeply confused why it wouldnt work. heres the paste link thingy: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/glsJbPZe |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:13 +0200 | dpl_ | (~dpl@77-121-78-163.chn.volia.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:15 +0200 | <ski> | > [[(fst^2 + fst*snd + snd^2) (x,y) | y <- [-2 .. 2]] | x <- [-2 .. 2]] -- multivariate polynomial |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:17 +0200 | <lambdabot> | [[12,7,4,3,4],[7,3,1,1,3],[4,1,0,1,4],[3,1,1,3,7],[4,3,4,7,12]] |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:59 +0200 | <Ernest> | Can things that are not data types be in the type signatures? Is Integer not a data type? |
| 2021-05-11 23:41:59 +0200 | <monochrom> | If you can have "f :: Either Int Bool" and "x :: Bool -> Int", then both "Either Int Bool" and "Bool -> Int" are types. |
| 2021-05-11 23:42:39 +0200 | ski | . o O ( `fmap x f' ) |
| 2021-05-11 23:42:43 +0200 | <Ernest> | Oh I would've considered "Either Int Bool" as data types |
| 2021-05-11 23:42:50 +0200 | <monochrom> | And in "instance Functor (...)", the only requirements for the ... there are: it is a type, and the type's rank is * -> * |
| 2021-05-11 23:42:56 +0200 | <ski> | types are not just data types |
| 2021-05-11 23:43:10 +0200 | <monochrom> | There is for example no requirement about "it is a user-defined type". |
| 2021-05-11 23:43:12 +0200 | olligobber | (olligobber@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/olligobber) |
| 2021-05-11 23:44:30 +0200 | <monochrom> | s/rank/kind/ |
| 2021-05-11 23:44:34 +0200 | jluttine | (~jluttine@85-23-66-6.bb.dnainternet.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:44:34 +0200 | opqdonut | (opqdonut@pseudo.fixme.fi) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:05 +0200 | <nineonin_> | is there a right-biased Map.unions? |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:09 +0200 | nbloomf | (~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:692a:95b:a9cd:2f9) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:09 +0200 | <ski> | `(->)' is a language primitive, just like `Char',`Int',`Integer',`Float',`Double',`Array',`IO',`Handle',`IORef',`IOArray',`ST',`STRef',`STArray',.. are -- but all these are still types |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:16 +0200 | rzmt | (~rzmt@87-92-180-112.rev.dnainternet.fi) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:16 +0200 | Moyst | (~moyst@212-149-213-144.bb.dnainternet.fi) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:45:26 +0200 | <nineonin_> | or how can I make it right-biased |
| 2021-05-11 23:46:33 +0200 | opqdonut | (opqdonut@pseudo.fixme.fi) |
| 2021-05-11 23:46:38 +0200 | <Ernest> | Is there any way to inspect say, ((->) Int) in ghci? |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:04 +0200 | <Ernest> | like you can kinda do :t on a value or data constructor |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:05 +0200 | Moyst | (~moyst@212-149-213-144.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:09 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : also, note that there is `instance Functor [] where ...', where the type `[T]' is syntactic sugar for the ordinary prefix application notation `[] T' |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:12 +0200 | <hpc> | :k ((->) Int) |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:13 +0200 | <lambdabot> | * -> * |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:16 +0200 | <hpc> | Ernest: ^ |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:27 +0200 | <ski> | @kind (->) Int |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:28 +0200 | <lambdabot> | * -> * |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:32 +0200 | <ski> | @kind Either Int |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:33 +0200 | <lambdabot> | * -> * |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:34 +0200 | <hpc> | as :t is "what's the type of this value", :k is "what's the kind of this type" |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:56 +0200 | <Ernest> | Ahhh cool |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:57 +0200 | <ski> | @kind (->) |
| 2021-05-11 23:47:58 +0200 | <lambdabot> | * -> * -> * |
| 2021-05-11 23:49:07 +0200 | nut | (~gtk@roc37-h01-176-170-197-243.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr) (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:50:53 +0200 | <geekosaur> | nineonin_, flip? |
| 2021-05-11 23:50:56 +0200 | rzmt | (~rzmt@87-92-180-112.rev.dnainternet.fi) |
| 2021-05-11 23:51:38 +0200 | olle | (~olle@i5E8666E4.versanet.de) () |
| 2021-05-11 23:51:56 +0200 | jluttine | (~jluttine@85-23-66-6.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 2021-05-11 23:52:07 +0200 | stree | (~stree@68.36.8.116) (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:52:21 +0200 | rj | (~x@gateway/tor-sasl/rj) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) |
| 2021-05-11 23:52:22 +0200 | <Ernest> | So is (->) a type constrcutor kind of like IO is a type constructor? Am I using the term type constructor correctly? |
| 2021-05-11 23:52:25 +0200 | <nineonin_> | hmm |
| 2021-05-11 23:52:35 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : yes |
| 2021-05-11 23:53:21 +0200 | nbloomf | (~nbloomf@2600:1700:ad14:3020:692a:95b:a9cd:2f9) |
| 2021-05-11 23:53:26 +0200 | <nineonin_> | geekosaur, so how would it look like? |
| 2021-05-11 23:54:43 +0200 | hypercube | (~hypercube@75.186.121.128) |
| 2021-05-11 23:55:23 +0200 | fendor | (~fendor@178.165.129.215.wireless.dyn.drei.com) (Quit: Leaving) |
| 2021-05-11 23:55:52 +0200 | <geekosaur> | (flip Map.unions) in place of Map.unions |
| 2021-05-11 23:56:09 +0200 | <geekosaur> | you could even name it: unionr = flip Map.unions |
| 2021-05-11 23:56:21 +0200 | <geekosaur> | then use unionr wherever you want the right-biased union |
| 2021-05-11 23:56:31 +0200 | <ski> | Ernest : you have to apply `(->)' to two type expressions, just like you have to for `Either', in order to get a concrete type back (that can be the type of a value, that can be written to the right of `::') |
| 2021-05-11 23:56:37 +0200 | <nineonin_> | unions :: (Foldable f, Ord k) => f (Map k a) -> Map k a |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:12 +0200 | <nineonin_> | not sure what to flip here |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:21 +0200 | __monty__ | (~toonn@unaffiliated/toonn) (Quit: leaving) |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:33 +0200 | <geekosaur> | oh, I'm thinking union. unions… would need to reverse the list |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:39 +0200 | <nineonin_> | but maybe this will work with unionsWith (flip union) |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:52 +0200 | <nineonin_> | flip is the way to go though |
| 2021-05-11 23:57:53 +0200 | <nineonin_> | thanks! |
| 2021-05-11 23:59:46 +0200 | <Ernest> | @ski Ah cool. Now my mind looping back to how can a type constructor that doesn't really hold data have an fmap instance, but I have taken note of what has been said earlier and will chew on it |
| 2021-05-11 23:59:47 +0200 | <lambdabot> | Maybe you meant: wiki src ask |
| 2021-05-11 23:59:56 +0200 | rj | (~x@gateway/tor-sasl/rj) |